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joining us to discuss all of these unprecedented developments is gary kasparof, the russian pro democracy activist and chess champion. gary, thank you so much for joining us. the kremlin, as you know, now says prigozhin has a guarantee from putin that he can leave the country for belarus in this deal to stopgap wagner's ad -- stop wagner's advance to moscow. would you trust a guarantee from putin? >> not for a second. and i agree with ambassador taylor who said a few minutes ago ton this program we know vey little. a scratch on the surface. so much that we'll learn later. i don't believe that what we saw the last 48 hours was oscar-winning performance. some suggest it was kind of a deal and they just played a game. but the game ended with putin's worst humiliation. he ran for his life from moscow when prigozhin's army was hundreds of miles away. and many of top officials around for cover from moscow.
down. again, putin's badly wounded. i don't think he'll last long because he definitely has no control of russian security forces and army. if prigozhin hadn't decided to turn away from moscow, probably he would be now in control of russian cabinet. >> interesting. gary kasparof, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for inviting me. just ahead, we'll have much more on the breaking news coming out of russia right now. we'll talk to a key u.s. lawmaker on the intelligence and foreign affairs committees about what he's learning about this unprecedented upheaval inside putin's russia right now. stay with us. check. psych! really? dude, that's a foul! and now you're ready to settle the score. and if you don't have the right t home insurance coverag, well you could end up payiying for all this yourself. so get allstate. my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker
and putin called for prigozhin to be arrested and russian troops to stop him. and very few if any wanted to fight with prigozhin. i think it's a very trouble be sign that most of the elite russian troops joined prigozhin in his march to moscow. >> so what does this mean for yevgeny prigozhin, gary? is his life now at risk? is putin and his forces, are they still going to try to kill him? >> probably. look, we're talking about mafia, and prigozhin is a career criminal and now is a war criminal. and whether there is some kind of a reveal that guarantees -- a deal that guarantees his life or moon or you end up somewhere in africa, in the midst of his criminal empire that he built alongside of gold mines and diamond mines and uranium mines and all other riches of africa that he now controls, we don't know. but again, i don't think that
he'll live long because putin can't afford having to -- put in such an awkward situation. it's, again, humiliation all over the face. dictator can't afford to look weak. and putin lost control. and he even talked about recognizing that his mafia state was on the verge of collapse. >> yeah. good point. how seriously do you think, gary, this unprecedented chaos right now undermines putin's grip on power? >> again, he lost prestige. dictator relies on his ability, and he's always the last decisionmaker. everything he says is the law. and it seemed that whatever he said in the last 56 hours didn't work out. it's not him, it's lukashenko who negotiated the deal. that's what they told us. we know that he even talked to the president, he was turned
this is the world that putin wants to live in comfortably as being the big super power above international law. that's one of the reasons he's attacking ukraine. he prepared this war in plain sight. he expected the world to swallow this aggression as the world paid little attention and didn't want to confront putin over his previous aggressive agects. >> i think you're dead on gary. gary, thank you very much. we'll be coming back to you in the coming days as we see how mr. putin unravels. thank you for your time. >> thank you. russia fails to capture kyiv after four days of fighting. how will putin react to the losses military? mark early joins me next. detergent alone, can't.fofa
the younger people are not watching television. there are studies showing many young people don't have televisions. they're getting their information from the internet and other sources that provide, you know, not the propaganda that is coming from the state media. they have a very different viewpoint and more are willing to go on to the streets and say, as they have the phrase, no to war. you can see it popping up in a lot of different places, including social media. >> welcome to the 21st century, vladimir putin. jill doherty, thank you for that report. joining me now is gary kasparof. gary, we hear the chess analogy a lot in international politics. there doesn't seem to be a lot of logic to the decisions putin is making right know.