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Let's -- i don't think the productive conversation, though, is about blaming the united states' president for the crisis triggered by a murderous dictator in syria plus civil wars by various factions. so i think you have to have a sense of proportionality here, and i think what you need to also talk about when you talk about the refugee crisis and terror in the united states is a very big question that congress didn't address yesterday. it's that we have visa programs that allow people in without even getting fingerprinted. so contrast that to the multiple layers of security that syrian refuge...

Visa programs as well. but we cannot allow terrorists to intimidate us into abandoning our values and our humanitarian obligations. turning away orphans, applying a religious test, discriminating against muslims, slamming the door on every syrian refugee, that is just not who we are. we are better than that. and remember, many of these refugees are fleeing the same terrorists who threaten us. it would be a cruel irony indeed if isis can force families from their homes and then also prevent them from ever finding new ones. we should be doing more to ease this humanitarian crisis, not less. we s...

Technology. san francisco has been a sanctuary city since 1989. we now have 300 of them. every presidential cycle we talk about immigration. and yet nothing changes. this is why people are upset. so what i would say to voters is, vote for someone who has a track record, not just a talking but a doing. because of what i will do is insure we actually secure the border. what i will do is insure we actually fix the legal immigration system. >> how? >> which has been broken for 25 years. and it's a contributory to the problem. let's just say, for example, we hand out mexican border crossing cards e...

The plan america need on lifting our minority community out of poverty by preventing corporations to bring new workers overseas. he's talking about american i.t. companies who bring in foreign workers to pay a lower wage and laying off american workers and forcing them to train their new lower-paid foreign replacements. trump specifically addresses that saying he would put an end to that as well as other visa programs that bring in foreign workers and displace americans. bill: he was making a lot of headlines over the weekend. martha: donald trump is doing

Reforms. the senate bill they proposed, 13 year pathway to citizenship, increase the spending $46 billion on border security. it would have mandatory workplace verification for workers, new visa programs for low skilled workers. i ask you, with the federal government spending $12 billion on customs and border enforcement to put people exactly in the place you've described in your piece, would reform even help? >> it would shortly have short-term help. when those people, the 11 million undocumented people in the united states are put on a legalized path they would not get deported. you would pr...