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compromise? >> yeah, chuck. the result you saw there was joe biden working with kevin mccarthy, kevin mccarthy taking the lead and pushing it over. okay, let's sit down and get serious. should it come to the brinksmanship in the last few days or the last day? no. what the movement of no labels has done is saying there's a middle, there's more people in the silent majority of the middle that have no voice whatsoever, so they're forced to their respective corners, far left and far right. they're not comfortable there. they're showing that now there's a place in the middle, and the middle can basically show you can't go to the left. you're not going to get elected, and you can't goven from there. decisions are made from the middle. my friend joe lieberman on that. >> i'm curious, does it make you less interested in running for president if joe biden is moving to the middle like this? >> chuck, the bottom line is -- let me just talk about what's going on right now with what happened on the debt ceiling. don't you think that we should have a risk evaluation of where we are as a country on finances?

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