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Mills here with me. how did they not know? here's joe biden's defense, by the way. take a listen. >> we all know that 30 seconds to 60 seconds on a cam bane debad -- campaign debate exchange can't do justice to a lifetime commitment to civil rights. i want to be absolutely clear about my record and position on racial justice including busing. i never, never, never, ever opposed voluntary busing. i fought my heart out to ensure that civil rights and voting rights, equal rights are enforced everywhere. >> joe biden there reading from the teleprompter. what do you make of his comments and his rec...

>> what is the biden campaign saying about how this has been playing out. they cannot be pleased about last night. >> reporter: i think the biden campaign is aware that this was not the former vice president's best performances. we're told that biden is aware that he needs to do better going forward and there are real questions about the former vice president and whether he is a candidate who meets the moment of the current democratic party. but one thing going forward that's also going to be important to watch, what do real voters -- how do they feel about these comments from the former vice ...

60 seconds on campaign debate exchange can't do justice to a lifetime commitment to civil rights. i never, ever opposed voluntary busing. >> reporter: he's reacting to the debate confrontation can kamala harris. >> you know, there was a little girl in california who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bussed to school every day. and that little girl was me. >> we want to have this campaign litigated on who supports civil rights and whether i did or not, i'm happy to do that. i was a public defender. i didn't become a prosecutor. >> what is it that turned to...

I never, never, never ever opposed voluntary busing. as a program that senator harris participated in. >> now he wants to look forward. >> we have to recognize that kid wearing a hoodie may very well be the next poet laureate and not a gang banger. there are too many black men and women in prison. >> that right there is perhaps a nod to biden's comments last night during the debate that while harris was a prosecutor in her past life putting people in jail biden was a public defender during some of the most divisive times in american race relations. harris has been struggling for widespread afr...

But, you know, we all know that 30 seconds to 60 seconds on a campaign debate exchange can't do justice to a lifetime committed to civil rights. i want to be absolutely clear about my record and position on racial justice, including busing. i never, never, never ever opposed voluntary busing. and as a program that senator harris participated in and made a difference in her life. i did support federal action to address root causes of segregation in our schools and our communities, including taking on the banks and red lining and trying to change the way in which neighborhoods were segregated. i...