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Weakness and concern. >> it does. >> i think that's why the campaign was out trying to knock it down. >> i worked for a former friend of joe biden's and i'll just -- just in case it is a thing. the idea is that it is not about you. it's about getting the country back on track. and then handing off the mantel to a running mate or to -- i mean, it does make the vp pick more impactful perhaps. it seemed to me, a nod to understanding that he may not represent the future of the party. but i want to put you on the spot because you're -- you're the out of the closet democrat at the table here. kamala...

>> you have no black on that stage and the democratic party cannot have a stage where black voters do not see themselves. >> shannon: so one of the interesting facts as they are talking about qualifying in the debate are all white but interestingly enough, senator harris have qualified. she would have been the lone minority on the stage that she stuck around. >> emily: which makes me wonder if there are any fact or dealings for her conceding to potentially join someone as their vp pick. for all of this talk about race issues, i think the media is ignoring the fact that strategically, her campa...

Three decades. how hard is it going to be for him to pull anything off? >> obviously, you look at those numbers seems like it's quite impossible, but i do not think this is necessarily a ploy by deval patrick to become the next president of the united states. i think that this is a way to introduce him to the american voters so he can be the next vp pick by one of the current presidential candidates. here's why. patrick has what i will call an obama anointing. you look at his background, his family, he's a black man, married to a black woman, two daughters. you know? harvard law graduate. grew...

Lose. in the fist debate, she was strong, some people thought too strong, she buzz was also warm. she said "this little girl was me." when you have strength and warm, that's a very strong combination. the second debate, she tried to be strong, but biden punched her and tulsi gabbard beat her up, and she didn't respond well. so she looked weaker so she never humanized. she looked colder. she went from strong and warm to colder and weaker. which one shows up tonight is going the determine whether or not she has a future even as a vp pick. i am very curious what kamala harris does tonight. >> i t...

Let's bring them out. the other is we did not get turnout in the urban areas. these are the two fundamental questions that are perplexing the voters. >> i don't know that they are mutually exclusive. going into this, that is the reason why joe biden has the support that he has, is because he is the one who is viewed as the more conventional candidate who can go into pennsylvania and michigan, ohio and win back those voters, and that's why no matter how offensive it may have been to kamala harris or any of the other candidates, she was talked about early as a potential vp candidate because that...