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Troul trouble before. we reported on it in 2012 when they actually had a outbreak there, five veterans died. legionela bacteria was in the water supply and the management at the hospital didn't bother to tell anybody, didn't bother to tell the patients or the staff, and five patients contacted it and died. now we understand that there is another wait list issue in pittsburgh that the congressmen are trying to get to the bottom of. so, yes, this scandals growing. and i expect, kate, that as these audits are done across the country, we're going to see wait lists pop up just about everywhere. >> ...

It's not going to solve everything to have him step aside but it is the right thing to do. >> that may be the case. and i -- in some ways i personally reserve judgment because i feel like i don't know what the underlying problem is yet. let's say shinseki comes out tomorrow and resigns, 8:30 in the morning he's scheduled to give a talk. let's say he resigns. what's the day two plan of attack here? i mean, i still don't understand what the problem is that has led apparently to 42 different facilities cooking the books because they could not meet the demand. >> yeah, and look, there's deep under...

That exposed the horrible situation at the v.a. andrew joins me now. andrew, this is a case of when you see reporting really make a huge difference. but when you look at this and all of the horrible things that you have seen happening at the v.a., that you've been reporting on, so the guy at the top now is gone. but that's the guy at the top. this is endemic. it's across the entire system. does this come close to resolving the problem? >> not at all. the guy at the top was the guy who was lied too. by whom? all those people need to go. they're still out there. they're still working at the v.a....

Griffin's reporting brought attention to this problem, because of his exemplary reporting about the problems at the phoenix va. how that systemic failure resulted in 1,400 individuals, as we now know from the audit, on wait lists, and then 1,700 not put on wait lists. perhaps others died while waiting for care. >> drew, now it's all the way to the white house. jim, i'd like you to just comment on one of the questions the president had to face that felt very, very pointed. i wasn't sure i was reading the president's face properly, but he was asked, when you had a crisis with the health care web...

Billion. wow. the proposed sale of the team now goes to league officials pending their final approval. ballmer has already been vetted by the nba when he tried to purchase the sacramento kings last year. experts have declared donald sterling mentally incapacitated. shelly sterling can now move forward with the sale of this team without his approval. that's a huge development. however, donald sterling's attorney says, quote, he is not selling the clippers. donald sterling has not agreed to sell the clippers at any price. they were trying to do this ahead of the owners league meeting in new york...