that exposed the horrible situation at the v.a. andrew joins me now. andrew, this is a case of when you see reporting really make a huge difference. but when you look at this and all of the horrible things that you have seen happening at the v.a., that you've been reporting on, so the guy at the top now is gone. but that's the guy at the top. this is endemic. it's across the entire system. does this come close to resolving the problem? >> not at all. the guy at the top was the guy who was lied too. by whom? all those people need to go. they're still out there. they're still working at the v.a. they're going show up for work on monday. somebody really needs to go in to that v.a. health system and root out all of these simmering, entrenched bureaucrats who have been doing this for a very, very long time, erin. >> and to that point, it's been going on for years, and it's across the country. for people who have been following this sort of casually and understand there were wait lists, people lied about the lists, they didn't get the care, people lost their lives.