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We were in the height of me too. there was a situation in alabama. with roy moore and there was a real sense for democrats that you needed to keep the high moral ground. >> the times have changed now. >> not so much the times have changed, people just have realized that, first of all the idea of having a moral high ground kind of doesn't make sense in this climate. because of what you said. it doesn't make any difference what democrats do whether they were to ask him to resign or not, the republicans will behave exactly the same way. it's going to make absolutely no difference. >> do you think...

>> it is a moving of some kind of post, don. you can argue the wall doesn't have to be concrete to be a wall and can have a hole or two and still be a wall. trump certainly didn't campaign on replacing fencing like his supporters at rallies were not chanting replace that fence and so this attempt to define wall as replacement fencing is certainly a shifting of the definitions here. >> you point out that this tweet seems like it could be in response to a piece from the washington examiner called trump has not built a single mile of new border fence after 30 months in office and here is what the...

Flagrant moving of the goalpost or fence post? >> it is a moving of some kind of post, don. you can argue the wall doesn't have to be concrete to be a wall and can have a hole or two and still be a wall. trump certainly didn't campaign on replacing fencing like his supporters at rallies were not chanting replace that fence and so this attempt to define wall as replacement fencing is certainly a shifting of the definitions here. >> you point out that this tweet seems like it could be in response to a piece from the washington examiner called trump has not built a single mile of new border fence...

There was a situation in alabama. with roy moore and there was a real sense for democrats that you needed to keep the high moral ground. >> the times have changed now. >> not so much the times have changed, people just have realized that, first of all the idea of having a moral high ground kind of doesn't make sense in this climate. because of what you said. it doesn't make any difference what democrats do whether they were to ask him to resign or not, the republicans will behave exactly the same way. it will make no difference. >> do you think given what you have said, do you think in this cl...

>> you know, joy, you talked about beto and julian castro who are both texans. i was down at the border interviewing beto o'rourke and he made all this news. i said look, there is a wall in el paso. should they take it down? he said yeah. it was an interesting moment, because he does have -- it's an issue where he has policy command. they put out a very comprehensive policy that would essentially go back to the case management system that would not necessitate detention. he has some policy command on it. if there is a single thing that he has genuine passion authentically coursing through him,...