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We don't know. trust has been degraded across the board. >> lindsey graham almost spoke to that very point earlier today. take a listen. >> i want to find out was a warrant issued against the trump campaign for illegal legal activity? that's not too much to ask. the answer is either yes or no. if the answer is no, then i think we can move on and say that there was no surveillance by the obama administration through the warrant process, then the question is did they do something illegally? i highly doubt that. >> now, joel, jim clapper on sunday on "meet the press" said, made it about trump tow...

What we are seeing is a lot of the distortion affects. and what we are not hearing, i think is the summoning of the collective wisdom to help us understand and improve upon the inherent conflicts between the local and states and federal law and the deficiencies that propel this. potential considerations for recommendation, warrant process. resolve the conflict device compliance. local law and the 4th amendment violations by exploring the use of an administrative law judge for judicial oversight. something that is not just unique to san francisco city and county but other counties we do not pur...

Process. >> i think ultimately the process that was engaged in before i believe this administration completely took section 215 of the law out of hand, i believe that it was workable. i believe that ultimately you know going through a process where the law enforcement agencies that they're dealing with an american citizen and securing that data can go through a warrant process and i think that's fair and reasonable. that's the way the constitution works. >> let's go to al hunt here. david ignatius touched on it that this is a battle that has been brewing in the republican party since matt and ...

Section 215, which is the verse sham part of the law that deals with the metadata collection has created a lot of problems. and we've been willing to -- many of us that are concerned about civil liberties as well as security, want to do both. >> do you stand with rand paul are you in this rand paul's camp or are you guys -- >> i think that's too -- >> too what? >> i think that letting it expire, just expire the whole law itself is a problem. but i do believe that there are parts of it and the second circuit court basically said that, just a couple of weeks ago thargs the , that the metadata co...

9/11 hijackers. wouldn't it have been great for that to kick off an investigation to determine who did they call and why did they call? you'll lose that. terrorists are savvy these days. they understand switching phones and switching frequently will screw up the warrant process when trying to listen to those phone calls. without that, you run the risk of a very savvy terrorist organization getting an operation in the united states and circumventing legal surveillance. i think that's a problem. especially with what's going on with isis in syria knowing that they're trying to get an act of terro...