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Investigations into the bidens and burisma, and the phone call that david holmes overheard on july 26th, he says what the president asked was is he going to do the investigations. >> well, and again, we can talk about second and third and fourth information of people who ultimatelyily are going to testify. you can hear it from them on wednesday. but what the facts are, did the money actually go to ukraine, and even on the phone call with president trump and president zelensky, they talked about the steps that ukraine is taking to root out corruption. it was something that zelensky got elected ...

Military aid, $391 million in aid that the u.s. congress, you, had helped, had authorized. the president suspended that, and the question is did he suspend it because all he cared about was investigating the bidens? >> no. and, in fact, part of what congress appropriated had language attached to it that required that the administration make sure that ukraine 's rooting out corruption because there were elections during that same period you just mentioned x. zelensky got elected on a platform of rooting out corruption, which we're glad about, but nobody really knew if he was going to follow thr...

Are you sure he's going to say that this. >> well, no. i mean, again, i'm not going to try to prejudge what a witness might say on the stand. but, look, you know, lots of crimes can be committed, and this is typical in corrupt enterprises, by the boss hinting and giving direction and everything. you know, corrupt people don't always say,, hey, here's the signed contract. what has already developed from secondhand witnesses is that this aid was withheld as a condition. and, you know, steve scalise may try to convince the american public that the president was just ticking the legal box that the...

President trump has been much tougher in terms of dealing, in terms of giving aid to ukraine than president obama was. but president trump released the aid two days after the whistleblower complaint went public. >> well, president trump released the aid after he made sure by law, by the way, and pelosi voted for that law, schiff voted for the law that requires that he insure that corruption is being rooted out before taxpayer money goes to a country like that. chris: okay. i've got two more questions, i've got two minutes, so so i'm going to ask you to squeeze if you can. we mentioned at the t...

But at the same time news outlets have said there wasn't corruption. there wasn't a quid pro quo of joe biden doing something for hunter biden. >> right. when you drill into what actually happened here, the international community, the ifm, the eu were all calling for this ukrainian prosecutor to be removed because he wasn't investigating corruption. joe biden has said that as well. but with republicans muddying the water and putting out all sorts of narratives, you can forgive people were getting confused and getting drawn into this. that said, even peter swietser had an op-ed in the "new yor...