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Don't make that -- >> i'll let you finish. there are heros from 2012 like ben jell rowalous and others wh don't talk about anymore. but they put an extra 1 million black voters in the booths just to say, you're not going to stop us. that doesn't mean it wasn't intention -- the intention wasn't to stop us. >> can we talk about -- go ahead. >> this goes to the point i've been trying to make all year. where we have disagreed is that the democratic party's political formula, from the founding, is to separate people by race and then use that as the racial fuel to push their agenda. that's what this...

Juror b29 says that zimmerman was guilty but could not vote for guilt on either second degree murder or manslaughter because as the law was read to her, and i'm quoting now, you have no proof that he killed him intentionally. those were her words. does that make sense to you legally speaking? >> well, it certainly is a garbled reading of the law. the issue wasn't intention. the issue wasn't zimmerman's intention. it was whether he was legitimately exercising self-defense or not. but look, she's not a lawyer. that's not a big difference. what i think is important to say just at the outset is th...

More charitable view of mr. zimmerman's actions that night. joining us martin family attorney benjamin crump. also joining us, jeffrey toobin and jose baez and mark geragos. jeff, let's start with you. juror b29 says that zimmerman was guilty but could not vote for guilt on either second degree murder or manslaughter because as the law was read to her, and i'm quoting now, you have no proof that he killed him intentionally. those were her words. does that make sense to you legally speaking? >> well, it certainly is a garbled reading of the law. the issue wasn't intention. the issue wasn't zimm...

But to vote not guyty. however, b-37 seems to hold a more charitable view of mr. zimmerman's actions that night. joining us tonight martin family attorney benjamin crump, getting his first look at the jurors account and jeffrey toobin and jose bias and mark cgeragos. jeff, let's start with you. juror b-29 said zimmerman was guilty but could not vote for guilt on second-degree murder or manslaughter because as the law was read to her, and i'm quoting now, you have no proof that he killed him intentionally. those were her words sdch. does that make sense to you? >> that's a garbled reading of th...

That busted nose photo, and it was what happened between two men in the dark that was the issue. >> without any witnesses. >> right. there was one bullet. this one he shot ten including into a retreating vehicle. this is in no way should somebody be able to buy a gun and kill and then say hey, you can't get me for this. >> this is also one individual in his vehicle, shooting at a number of other individuals who are in their vehicles. so to argue i was in fear of my life. >> he's in his car, he's got his window rolled up. he rolled it down to say something to the kids. my son is in the back sea...