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It. to me that's separate from -- >> what if the president didn't mention the money? >> i'm sorry? >> what if he didn't mention the money? >> even if he didn't, if there wasn't a direct connection here, it certainly is implied. and, you know, whether there was a direct discourse here where, you know, if you don't do something about investigating former vice president biden, you're not going to get the aid, i don't think it was -- i doubt it was that overt. >> he says it wasn't overt, that he never mentioned the money and if you get the call you'll see that we were talking about it but only bec...

>> when you say you were initially threatened, what happened there? and did that affect you at all, as a leader? >> well, i think, probably, the most sort of threatening thing, it wasn't overt, but someone came into our driveway and put confederate stickers on our car during the night, so it was a very clear message they knew where we lived and the others have been more e-mails and phone calls. but, no, it doesn't -- i think when you're doing the right thing, you do it. you don't worry about whether people are going to not like it or not. >> gerald, please give us your view of all of this and ...