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Discussed the venezuela issue. boris epshteyn and rudy giuliani were on a podcast with bannon. forgive me. let me be clear. giuliani was on that podcast with bannon pushing the idea that state lawmakers could participate in blocking the certification of this election and they were working with donald trump. lots of these things had falsehoods built into them, and that's also critical as we see the committee trying to seek answers from these people for why they were making the claims they were making on donald trump's behalf. >> daniel, you have the benefit of having seen this from a few perspe...

About the impeachment, that wasn't public knowledge. things that happened behind closed doors in this case, those lawyers giuliani and alice, sydney powell, they all did everything, it's almost like we all saw everything happened at the same time. what does the committee get or learn how do they benefit from subpoenaing them and their testimony? >> a number of things, we would get the conversations that they had with others behind the scenes. you might get information about the fact that they knew what they were promoting was completely bogus. might get information about donald trump's mental ...

Longer timeline, it's clear that the hunt for russians with e-mail dirt on hillary clinton was a recurring theme in the trump campaign. let's go back to march 19th, 2016. when russian operatives first hacked clinton campaign chairman john podesta's e-mail account which wasn't public knowledge until wikileaks released those later that year in october. a month after the podesta hack, in april, learned russian government hacked the dnc. during that same month, april 26th, trump campaign adviser george papadopoulos met in london with a professor who claimed to have contacts with russian government...

Gave scrutinizing on your own show? it would have been interesting to hear him defend that prior to interviewing the author. >> i wondered when the story broke, what took so long? why are we now just finding out ability about this? >> i'm sure investigative journalists have been pouring over the donations some time now. >> that's true. the "freebie beacon" was working on this. he says it wasn't public knowledge, but it wasn't listed on the website. why not just mention it? if the public feels it's inappropriate, he'll be judge had the way. the notion of not disclosing this at the top of the in...

Jenna: senator barrasso's back with us, we're continuing our conversation on benghazi. in "the new york times" today, david brooks is writing about these talking points and basically says that the state department was trying to protect the intelligence community by editing these talking points to protect them because there was important work that wassing with done on the -- that was being done on the ground by the cia, and that wasn't public knowledge. so it brings us to the final question about whether or not the debate that's happening about who knew what when is overshadowing, perhaps, the ...