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Serving in the government at the time. is the committee prepared if the u.s. justice department decides not to prosecute meadows? >> we're prepared to do our job today at the committee level that we hold him in criminal contempt just by virtue of not showing up to our hearing. there are ways for mr. meadows, and he has been trying to hide behind broad privilege claims. he could come before the committee and specify to each question what privilege he feels exists. he has not done that. he's provided documents but won't answer any questions related to those. we're going to move forward with the ...

So um, you know, i think in that sense, we're already seeing the maga crowd kind of take control of this committee and kind of steer it into a ditch which i think is the other significance from today's news. >> an interesting idea, gloria, josh -- that steve bannon has sort of set this high bar for what it means to truly, truly be slavishly loyal to the former president. >> well, he has. and um, i'm sure donald trump loves it. and that's exactly what steve bannon wants but -- and don't forget, steve bannon has the worst case for privilege of anybody up there because he wasn't serving in the ad...

Anybody up there because he wasn't serving in the administration. and yet, he has decided to make a cause out of this because it works to his benefit. i don't think it works to mark meadows' benefit, as you were pointing out. or to other trump admin -- administration officials' benefit but bannon's kind of a special case. >> yeah, josh, the difference between meadows and bannon certainly seems, you know, i guess meadows -- at least in the past -- didn't want to be held in contempt of congress. steve bannon seems to want nothing else. it helps him for all the reasons andrew said. i mean, is thi...

Warden is being reassigned. the two guards supposed to watch him, they have been suspended. the justice department did not identify those guards at least not yet or say if they were the ones assigned to monitor epstein when he died. what more do we know as they try to get answers here? >> reporter: yeah, poppy, there was a bureau of prison reconstruction team that was on site here at mcc, the billing behinds me here yesterday. the other team arriving today. you mentioned the warden being transferred. now an acting warden is coming in from otisville, a prison just 60 miles north of here from ne...

Loyal, claims to -- he claimed he would take a bullet for the president, nonetheless, if you're faced with upwards of 30 years in prison on a criminal charge, virtually everybody will take a deal from the prosecutor and turn. so what goldberg is saying to the president is be very careful when you have conversations with michael cohen now, because if he turns, those conversations could theoretically be used against you. >> one side story here, i was thinking about attorney/client privilege and how the relationship between michael cohen and the president, jay goldberg had a legal conversation wi...