This is seth robertson and his partner brian. this is t.j. he's a kayaker who came by and wanted to help these guys with some of the rescues. t.j., i heard you're trying to guide them, what's going on back here? >> which is much further away, there's an elderly couple that's stuck down there. we think there's a few other people stuck the elderly and we can't find a way through, but right now, we're working on a solution for that. we think there may be a way further down 610. if we can get on 610 and then unload the boat, launch it there. even if it gets shallow, i can get them to the boat and ...