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Or even vladimir putin himself. the question of putin's intention is a little bit murky. he is, of course, claiming that the united states and nato are aggressing against ukraine, excuse me, against russia by moving closer and invading its sphere of influence. ukraine is trying to move closer to the west. the -- there is a potential for some sort of diplomatic off ramp with a -- if not a promise that ukraine will not join nato, which is what russia is demanding, perhaps some sort of neutral arbiter that would establish a zone where russia -- between russia and nato. we don't know, we do know t...

The point is they try to manage the message. >> why would campaign agree to that in the first place? >> exactly. >> you need to know more about the ground rules i was struck by the rolling stone interview with the president. he was talking about using the word we can't use on the air. i know it doesn't shock me. i think it did shock some people. we don't know whether that remark was presumed. >> jon: for our viewers that weren't reading rolling stone. the president is on the cover of youth orientated magazine. he said, kids have good instincts. they look at the other guy and say, that is a bul...