Fear is it would lead russia and china to sort of create their own counterbalance to it. is that still a possibility, do you think and what would be the effects? >> they've taken some steps but there's only two countries in the world that aren't part of swift. when you look at a pariah, you are treated as such. vladimir putin who is going to blink first? vladimir putin thinks the west us and we have a stronger economy, diversified and i think we should ensure we stay strong because this will not be the end. there are a lot of parallels to what happened in central europe under the nazis and we ...