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I don't want to be the first one to say, boy, that was the dumbest thing i ever heard and i'm too honest not to do that. >> love to have you on if you change your mind and decide to get cruel. we'll have two hours of coverage here on msnbc and back at 11:00 eastern until 1:00 in the morning. coming up, we'll talk to two pros real professionals, how do you take on the trump man? big question for all four guys with the best shot to be president. bush, walker, rubio and kasich. how do you prepare to take the stage against an outrageous showman like donald trump? plus president obama selling his...

This campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. [ laughter ] >> rule number two, debate stunts are high-risk, high reward. one in particular worked for ronald reagan in 1980. after he put up the money for a one-on-one debate with george bush reagan tried to re"new york times" -- tried to include four other candidates. >> will the countdown man please turn mr. reagan's mike off for the moment? >> is this on? >> would you turn that microphone off, please? >> i am paying for this microphone! >> but in 2000 al gore made a goofy attempt to intim...

Maybe you could tell me what you think of this scent. >> mmmm, i like that. >> that may be the reason you didn't get the nomination before but that is certainly timely to bring that out. we didn't show the rest of it. got a little gross there, but the part you showed -- >> the reality is they used that one against me in south carolina. so trump better watch out. that was one of the things i really liked to do. i think i'm a pretty darned good actor. >> let me ask you about this thing. how does your party go from this red hot, we like trump, at least now, to going back to the more established, ...

>> that's what happens when barack obama is flying too high. a little bit condescending and it hurt. that was right before she beat him in new hampshire. >> both of these were with women candidates. and there won't be a woman on the stage. >> in the happy hour tomorrow there will be a woman. >> it can apply to men. you played that clip it played into the narrative that he is an out of touch so you have to be very cautious. >> you had a sense that he had in his pocket. rule number four is that gaffes are amplified. your mistakes make your opponents look good in comparison. in 1992 then presiden...

Are you suggesting if somebody has means, that the national debt doesn't affect them? i'm not sure i get it. help me with the question and i'll try to answer it. >> i was grilling her like an economics professor. are you sure you didn't mean to say depression or recession? you didn't mean to say deficit. >> then clinton comes in like the clean-up. i understand you completely. you're wonderful. it was brilliant. >> and it made bush look cold and distant. it made him look judgmental. >> exactly. you have to stay away from those gaffes. and you can't back off things either. if you make a mistak...