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Outsider insurgent the way i was in 1992 and 1996. and he's also taken the issue of immigration and unfair trade deals that robbed the country of jobs and investment. and he's riding the issues extremely well. the difference is, donald trump is far, far ahead of where i was. >> how so? >> in thele wh ll polls he's ruo to three in front of the republicans in the national party. in 1992 i did well against president bush but we never had the massive enormous crowds that donald trump is getting or the enormous coverage he's receiving or the poll numbers he's got right now. look, donald trump as of...

Sakes. he was a big defender of herman ca cain. he's on both sides. >> let me try something with you first, joy. let's put all ideology aside, let's put all values aside. let's just think about strange guts. this guy seems to be fearless to me. i know he had a pullback on the civil rights bill. we all went through that with him because he was a complete ideologue and didn't want to defend what was -- nobody wants to hear that. there's no reason to pose civil rights these days. nobody is going to listen to it. generally she's stuck with h ll guns. a guy a robert de niro should play in the movie...

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