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women or gays. i know you met him in rome last week. i want to ask you your impression of him. first, i want to play for the view whaerz cardinal dolan who preaches at the st. patrick's cathedral had to say about st. francis. >> he kind of come across as shy' reserved, doesn't he? his voice is conversational. he is a man of confidence and poise but there is also that splendid with the beautiful sincerity and simplicity and humility. >> reporter: when you met him, what did you think? >> first of all, let me just clarify that it was a chance meeting. it was not that i had an appointment with him. i just happened to be in rome for the last couple of days and i am director of catholic radio here in miami.
>> well, i think he called himself pope francis after st. francis of assisi. the great builder of the church. god told st. francis, rebuild my church. the new pope francis is supposedly a reformer of sorts. he reformed the jesuits, fighting against liberation theology when that was on the rise in argentina. and from the people i have spoken to here in the vatican who know him well they say he is the butt kicker that is needed here to face this clergy. we'll see what happens in the days ahead. >> it will be very interesting. the word reform can mean reforming bureaucracy at the vatican and kit mean reforming other things, policies towards women or gays. i know you met him in rome last week. i want to ask you your impression of him. first, i want to play for the view whaerz cardinal dolan who
jenna: more on this story as we get it, some shocking developments there, william, thank you very much. jon: politics now, rick perry's campaign is trying to paint mitt romney as a flipflopper on education. whaerz what a perry spokesman had to say during "america's newsroom" this morning. >> governor romney has a long history of being on all sides of all issues. this is just the most recent example. keep in mind that he praised obama's education secretary the day before the debate, supported raise to -- race to the top, which is a national curriculum program the obama administration has been pushing. twenty-four hours later, he comes out and said i don't know where that came, from i don't support that program. jon: joining us now to respond, romney senior adviser eric burnstrom. is your candidate on all sides of all issues? >> jon, i appreciate the opportunity to respond. this is a completely