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Stormy daniels on the eve of the campaign. those are big deals. they all fit together. and they show that those walls, that trump feels are so sturdy around him, are starting to deteriorate if not start to crumble. >> to that point, jim, why do you think giuliani made those revelations last night on fox news? why now? >> i don't know for sure, but it definitely was not him just sort of talking off the cuff. it was premeditated. he and trump had planned to do this at some point. i don't think they had planned to do it specifically last night with hannity. they believe that they needed to have t...

Or shut down the russia investigation. firing the deputy attorney general or director mueller would create a constitutional crisis. do not go down this road. >> joining us from washington is white house reporter for the associated press jill colvin. good to talk to you once again. so sort of rounding all this up, everything that's been going on in the last couple days or so, rudy giuliani's new revelations, the president's new lawyers and now the attacks on the doj. where do people stand in washington right now? what's the word on the street in washington this morning? >> right now, we're all ...

Taking the fifth amendment. >> reporter: option three, fight the subpoena. that would open up a legal bat thal could go all the way to the supreme court. then there's option four, ignore the subpoena. which would put the president in uncharted territory. >> the likelihood of some kind of subpoena coming into play is becoming more and more real. >> reporter: it's not just the legal component to this. there's another piece coming into play and that's whether the president could face fallout politically. if he does decide to say fight a subpoena, especially with the midterms coming up right aroun...

That position. >> let's talk about another big revelation, which is rudy giuliani saying president trump actually paid michael cohen back $130,000, which is pretty incredible. >> a small revelation. >> just a little revelation. what do you think is the strategy behind this? >> this is a white house where there's often breaking news. there are often things that have people raising their eyebrows. this was one everyone who follow this is white house really kind of collectively had a gasp when rudy giuliani said this last night. it's quite extraordinary. he's contradict iing what the president sa...

Is based. >> but we do know, according to jeff sessions, that it was based on an inspector general review, and it was firing that was recommended by the office of professional responsibility, who is also staffed by career professionals, not trump appointees. >> you're right, ana, and the opr and fbi and the inspection division, these are career people. these are people who don't care about politics. my concern is, at what point did the doj go to the fbi and say, we need you to weigh in on this? was it something they said, we need you to hurry up and get this done by a set date in time. if that...