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Their issues, and staying abstinent for up to two years. that there's a 20% difference if you look at controlled random studies. so it really depends on the quality of the study, how you're interpreting the study. and your own bias. i would love to know this man's bias, and where he's coming from. >> i actually think there is a little more empirically, from i've been able to determine from the literature, to support the aa efficacy. >> what's supported is the social connection that it engenders. that 12-step is not aa. 12-step facilitation is not aa. >> the efficacy is actually coming out of t...

Compensating for, let's say a mood disorder that needs to be treated. in addition to attending aa, they see a psychiatrist, they're in psychotherapy. so for some people, maybe aa alone would not be enough, but there are many people in aa, and many therapists who say, let's work all together. >> okay. please? >> that's because they're in new york. there are a lot of people in new york where psychotherapy is accepted, and traditionally within aa, you don't go to an outside source. you see your sponsor, your sponsor tells you how to do the steps. medicine is in many cases, hundreds of people have...

Particularly people who will have been in recovery and feel like it's the most incredible thing that's ever happened to them. it's stipulated literally millions of people credit this program with turning their life around, okay? i want to stipulate that, right? the second thing i think people get worried about questioning it. because they feel like it will essentially give excuses to people to do things they shouldn't do that would be self-destructive. the third thing i want to say is, as a policy matter, we have a question about, is this the best thing for people to do, particularly as you no...

I've always thought alcoholics anonymous is genuinely one of the most remarkable institutions human beings have ever bit. it operates in a democratic fashion. you can find a meeting anywhere at anytime. aa will even have a meeting on your cruise ship floating in the middle of the caribbean. all of this was built not by government, or by business, but rather in an incredibly social way. two people started talking to each other and supporting each other on how to stop drinking. aa meetings grew oup of that concept. millions of people say it changed and saved their lives, including many in our le...

And your own bias. i would love to know this man's bias, and where he's coming from. >> i actually think there is a little more empirically, from what i've been able to determine from the literature, to support the aa efficacy. >> what's supported is the social connection that it engenders. >> and that's huge. >> but the 12-step facilitation is not aa. >> right, this is an important point. no no just the point that the efficacy is actually coming out of the social connection produced by aa as opposed to the specific steps. but i think i would urge people to read this article. we are in a situa...