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Serious attack on our democracy. and, you know, look, that's -- that's spilt milk. right now what's important is to get all the facts out, to protect the mueller investigation, to make sure that, you know, i don't know what he's going to do ultimately with mr. trump or some of his associates. but he's clearly gotten guilty pleas from his national security adviser, from his deputy campaign manager, from senior officials in his campaign. we know that they had more than 80 meetings with russian sources that -- excuse me, they had more than 80 contacts with russian sources, more than 20 meetings w...

President trump and mr. giuliani have said he's going to decide whether to force a subpoena for mr. mueller or whether he's going to voluntarily testify. that's a decision that could easily go to the supreme court. mr. kavanaugh expressed his views already on that subject matter and saying that the president shouldn't be forced to answer subpoenas. and so, you know, you never know what's in donald trump's mind. but you have to know that he knew that kavanaugh was someone who wanted to protect the president in a context he finds himself in. and think of the constitutional crisis we'd be in if h...

I'm not casting aspersions on the integrity of mr. kavanaugh. he has well expressed views here. the democrats need to examine what he intends to do if, you know, faced with that choice. >> right. i understand how precisely measured you're being while raising the fact that this is not a drill, we're dealing with a president who seems to delight in breaking things. and the question of whether mueller can put him in the grand jury box if he won't do the interview, unlike the clinton example where it was negotiated out, may go all the way to the supreme court. you're saying something that our view...

Suggested -- well, he didn't actually say, but when the president, some of his associates suggested that maybe it's time for mueller to if not wrap, be fired, he says -- and i'm quoting eric swalwell -- fire mueller and we fire you. to which you say what? >> look, i don't think the president should fire mueller. i don't think that would be the right end to this. there's a very interesting challenge by one of the witnesses that promised prompted a 93-page opinion i haven't read yet which should be appealed whether mueller's appointment with his broad powers, whether he really is an inferior off...

Because there's a regulation in place that says if you work on a campaign and there's a criminal investigation relating to that campaign, you can't be involved. >> the president puts it on sessions, says it was a bum move and he should have told him about it. it was a total hoodwink. >> wrong, wrong, wrong. as far as it being a hoodwink, sessions would have to have had the gift of prophecy along with the president in order to believe at the time he was appointed that there was going to be to an investigation and that he was going to be conflicted. sessions is a great guy. he's not a prophet. >...