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Deciding vote in a constitutional crisis where mr. mueller actually issued a subpoena and the white house and donald trump refused to comply with it. i think it is a context for this nomination. i'm not casting aspersions on the integrity of mr. kavanaugh. he has well expressed views here. the democrats need to examine what he intends to do if, you know, faced with that choice. >> right. i understand how precisely measured you're being while raising the fact that this is not a drill, we're dealing with a president who seems to delight in breaking things. and the question of whether mueller can...

That shock many people, most women in america would be against overturning roe, but not so much only that, you and the democrats are basically saying this person was picked by trump to protect trump, that he is part of a softer type of obstruction? are you prepared to go that far? >> i think we have to -- you know, i think we have to examine his record and look at the context. president trump and mr. giuliani have said he's going to decide whether to force a subpoena for mr. mueller or whether he's going to voluntarily testify. that's a decision that could easily go to the supreme court. mr. k...

For interview between the president and mueller team. tell me more about what the president said and your interpretation of that. >> one thing he has been saying all week, i've been with him much of the week, ten days ago we responded to their latest proposal for the interview but we hadn't heard back from them. today we just heard back from the mueller office in terms of their latest counter-proposal. this has been going on for months this drama about will he testify, will he not testify, these negotiations. based on everything i've heard from the mayor, notwithstanding the president's profes...

If they were cooperating witnesses, they wouldn't have had to go to the department of justice and get authorization to go to the judge and administer immunity. there are two types of immunities. one is sort of transactional immunity where you're immune from everything. this is very narrow. it's called use immunity they're asking for, that their testimony at trial cannot be used against them. and they clearly believe they have committed a crime and they will plead the fifth amendment if not given immunity. that's what's forcing the issue. >> do you have a sense of whether mueller wants to make ...

There are two types of immunities. one is sort of transactional immunity where you're immune from everything. this is very narrow. it's called use immunity they're asking for, that their testimony at trial cannot be used against them. and they clearly believe they have committed a crime and they will plead the fifth amendment if not given immunity. that's what's forcing the issue. >> do you have a sense of whether mueller wants to make a deal with manafort or is he just focused on this trial next week and squeezing him, or is it both? >> i think it's both, don. i think he would love it if mana...