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Had with foreign leaders when carving out policy, what does that signal to you about what bob mueller has been looking at? >> he has been pretty good at not letting anything leak out of his investigation. optics are terrible. whether mueller goes after him in these charges other prosecutors might be look as well. we've seen his ability to be effective be deeply impaired, one, the worry of the investigation and also allies leaving, hope hicks, own pr person and his security clearance was downgraded. even if he stays the question is how effective can he truly be now? and can he really do things ...

They actually sat down and planned anything together. >> that is important. blake? >> i think the key question is go being going to be not these activities related to the facebook activities but whether mueller comes out with indictments related to the dnc hacks and the hacks of john poe des desta's e. we already know trump said publicly at a rally, "russia, if you're listening, please hack hillary clinton's e-mails". we know he's politically interested no interested in doing this. but we don't know if they assisted in the release of those e-mails, which would be a crime. >> what about the vic...

This dossier, justifying a lot of people involved in abuse of power during the obama administration setting up the mueller operation with targeting the ambush of general flynn leading to this plea deal and subsequent criminal actions and collectivity and prosecutorial decisions. the pfizer memo debate is about whether mueller's operation is legitimate. >> i watched adam schiff, he was very disappointed. a lot of them mortified about this information coming out at this point. chris ray who schiff made a solid effort to point out is a trump, somebody trump installed in the fbi, christopher ray h...

>> can i add, one area in particular, i think, phil briefly alluded to this. is the whole financial side. people have talked a lot in a very loose way that oh, trump has all these connections to rush and they gave him money and he owes money to the russians. i don't know any hard facts. in area. there have been even conflicting reports about whether mueller has even subpoenas deutsche bank where both donald trump and jared kushner did a lot of banking. what those records show, if anything, regarding financial ties between trump and russia are enormously important. but it is not something that ...

The president and whether it's robert mueller or members of his team. they're floating things like a written questionnaire, submitting a signed affidavit saying he's innocent of what anything that the mueller's team wanted to ask him about. the question is whether mueller's team will go for something like that. >> no. >> and it seems like in talking to some experts that he's very unlikely to do that for all the reasons that you and i and other reporters want to talk to someone in person. you need to be able to ask followups and read their body language and understand and get information and so...