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Was reconvened, leading most to believe an indictment was coming. but that didn't happen. in a letter to the doj, mccabe's own attorneys wrote we heard rumors from reporters that the grand jury considering charges against mr. mccabe had declined to vote an die. we believe that if the grand jury has in fact voted a here they use a legal term we'll explain in a minute, not a true bill, the justice manual compels you not to resubmit the case to the same or a different grand jury. as the "wall street journal" headline puts it don't, it's a sign that the case may be in jeopardy. former u.s. attorne...

Fax, but just as an interpretive matter that i don't think are reasonable. and this one is actually much worse than the other one in that regard. so, look, he's -- he's somebody who has a real reputation, and i don't want to speak to motive. i do think this is a deficient piece of work product. >> when you talk about both reports, this and proceeding andrew mccabe, the ig report on andrew mccabe that -- sorry, go ahead, ben. >> i was actually referring to a different one. i have a kind of open mind about his report on andrew mccabe. i was talking about the one about the clinton email investiga...

Andrew mccabe, the ig report on andrew mccabe that -- sorry, go ahead, ben. >> i was actually referring to a different one. i have a kind of open mind about his report on andrew mccabe. i was talking about the one about the clinton email investigation and the sort of judgments that the team and that comey made in that regard. the mccabe one, i actually don't know how much of that report is fair and how much of it is unfair, in part because there still has been no forum in which mccabe. >> right. >> has sought to answer the allegations that he's -- were made against him in that report in a subs...

Basically were you ever a leaker to the "new york times." >> absolutely not. no, not in any time ever. >> then why did james comey deny the claim that he approved your leak to the press. >> i don't know why jim comey doesn't remember the conversations we had in the same way i do. ainsley: ned? >> is he a known liar. this is why michael horowitz, inspector general, recommended criminal prosecution against andrew mccabe. i will say this last thing. wait until you see the fisa report that horowitz is going to release, i think in april, about the fisa abuse is based off the fake dossier in which m...

Justice into the -- investigation into the president of the united states, was very thin. it certainly wouldn't work on an average citizen, let alone somebody that was just elected as president of the united states. this concerns me. i think we'll have to spend or congress should spend time trying to understand exactly if there were more to this or not. and the very fact that someone who was the deputy at the department of justice had the conversation of which mccabe now says was serious about trying to recruit other members, that's also very, very concerning. it's not that you have to like th...