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Republican will cave? how many think they will hold the line. >> i think they will. >> how many think obama will cave? >> no way. will we in 11 days have a government shut down? ten days? how many say yes? hands. how many say no. >> let many say if we have a government shut down it uh doesn't defund obamacare. obamacare comes under mandatory spending. if the government is shut down it's discretionary. >> mandatory spending can be circumvented due to rules in the house and senate. >> it uh won't be defunded. >> you have been great. give yourselves a hand. ♪

Than the fantasy the president will cave and defund his signature accomplishment. that is delusional. that is not going to happen. you have an extreme form of positional bargaining without any degree of practicality. this is about positioning, ideology and playing to the base, not about governing a place. >> if we get beyond the threat of a government shutdown, the next fight is over the debt ceiling. the last time we were talking about the debt ceiling i was on capitol hill, sleeping on capitol hill covering all of those negotiations over and over again. >> yes. >> we were also talking about ...

Since 2007. so they had never served in the minority. a lot of democrats or senators who have served in both the majority and the minority, they realize that someday they may soon be in the minority, and they'll need these protections of the filibuster. i talked specifically to john cornyn, republican, number two republican in the senate. came to the senate in 2002 when republicans were in the majority, favored that nuclear option, favored exercising the nuclear option in 2005. he'd never been in the minority. now he is in the minority, has a different view. jon: well, harry reid, the majority...

Happened. spending cuts now take affect across the board. what will the impact be as washington stumbles along to the next fiscal crisis? >> the president and congressional leaders meet, but no deal. >> none of this is necessary. it's happening because a choice that republicans in congress have made. >> should the president have done more? >> i am not a dictator. i'm the president. >> any chance that the gop will cave on more taxes? >> there's no one in this town who's tried harder to come to an agreement with the president to deal with our long-term spending. no one. >> this morning, my exclu...

The second half of the first term. he wants to destroy it. he beat them on the fiscal cliff. on taxes. now he wants a way to destroy them on spending. by showing, by waiting until the republicans will cave on this. and say okay, we'll give it to you and taxes instead of in cuts because the pain will become intolerable. this is all about a political game. winning the upper hand. for the rest of his agenda. because he isn't interested in spending or deficit or cuts at all. >> bret: i mentioned the c.r. the next thing, the president signal today that if we stick to deal. budget control act, i'll ...