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took a donation of a millon pounds from the bin laden family of saudi arabia two years after osama bin laden was killed. the family disowned him in 1994. now on bbc news, it's hardtalk with stephen sackur. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. south africa is in a long—term flirtation with political and economic chaos. mass unemployment, power cuts and rising crime are stoking discontent and instability. my guest today isjulius malema, former anc loyalist turned populist enemy of the ruling party. could one of africa's richest nations be consumed by insurrectionist violence? jul...

my guest today isjulius malema, former anc loyalist turned populist enemy of the ruling party. could one of africa's richest nations be consumed by insurrectionist violence? julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a very grave economic crisis. there's deep uncertainty in the country. why are you adding to that uncertainty by calling for the removal of president ramaphosa? it's the most logical thing that, when a leader of a current government doesn't perform well or the country is in a crisis, that le...

of birmingham. this is bbc news. now, it's time for hardtalk with stephen sackur. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. south africa is in a long—term flirtation with political and economic chaos. mass unemployment, power cuts, and rising crime are stoking discontent and instability. my guest today isjulius malema, former anc loyalist turned populist enemy of the ruling party. could one of africa's richest nations be consumed by insurrectionist violence? julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a ...

julius malema in bloemfontein, south africa, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much. mr malema, south africans are facing a very grave economic crisis. there's deep uncertainty in the country. why are you adding to that uncertainty by calling for the removal of president ramaphosa? it's the most logical thing that, when a leader of a current government doesn't perform well, or the country is in a crisis, that leader should leave office and give others an opportunity who can come and do a much better work. because i don't think that mr ramaphosa has got a coherent plan as to how he'...

On the contrary, mr malema, i'm asking you why black south africans should believe that your nationalisation programme would actually deliver for them? ..the white people's properties, and all of that. your obsession with them is exactly what distorts the message. earlier on, you referred to afriforum as an organisation of white people. call it for what it is — it's a racist organisation. it's a racist white organisation. so, our proposal is very clear — industrialisation will create jobs. nationalisation of the mines will create jobs. the nationalisation of the land expropriated without c...