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Who makes the machines? who sells the coal? it's steel jobs, it's trucking jobs. it's coal mining jobs. >> you should be totally in favor of wind power, steve, because wind power creates far more jobs than coal. >> it's really successful. >> many more jobs. >> yes, it is. >> you know this. wait a minute, you know this. you're an expert on it. the only reason there is a wind industry is because we give massive tax breaks. we give billions of dollars to the industry. >> just like we do to coal and oil and natural gas. >> no. not 1/1,000th of the benefits. >> no. >> you know that. you're supposed...

You're the guy who wrote the book on tax subsidies. the wind industry pays a negative tax rate. do you support that? >> no. and coal is also heavily subsidized. one of the points on manufacturing. from the point where the economy turned around, obama added just short of 11,000 moring jobs a month on average. trump bragged about the jobs he created, he's doing 8,200 jobs a month. that's not a good record for trump to brag about. you have to look at the historical numbers. >> thank you all. we'll be right back. [car tires screech] [bell rings]

The wind industry pays a negative tax rate. do you support that? >> no. and cool also is heavily subsidized. can i make one other point, don? one other point on manufacturing. from the point where the economy turned around, obama added just short of 11,000 manufacturing jobs a month on average. trump bragged today about all the jobs he created. he is doing 8200 jobs a month. so under obama we got a third more jobs a month in manufacturing in growth and jobs. that's not a good record for trump to brag about. you have to look at the historical numbers, though. >> all right, thank you, all. we'll...

Wrong. look at coal production in this country is up 15% already this year. >> because of machinery. because of machinery, not because of coal miners. >> who makes the machines? who makes the machines? who sells the coal? it's steel jobs, it's trucking jobs. it's coal mining jobs. >> you should be totally in favor of wind power, steve, because wind power >> except there is a big difference. >> big job creator. >> you know this. wait a minute. you know this. you were an expert in the field. the reason there is an expert in the wind industry because we give billions of dollars to the industry. >...

>> we already have example what of the climate change policies can do with something you would called the clean power plant. >> which never got complemented. >> by the way it's been complimented and we've seen. >> no it didn't. >> you talk about what's happening in the california look what's happening in west virginia, pennsylvania, ohio i visited a lot of coal town des mated by climb change regulations. >> i can't let you lie the obama's clean power plan never got complemented it was put forward because the conservative nixon created the conservative clean air act and epa and the right wing r...