We can't do it without vaccines, jake, but we can do a lot more with other things, and testing, for example, both yourself and your family when you're getting ready to do something, go out into the community or have people over to your own house, and that's the reason why we're stressing and part of the president's winter plan is expanding greatly the availability of testing for people, particularly the point of care that you can do yourself and get a result in 15 minutes. >> okay. >> so it's more than one thing. it's a comprehensive approach. >> got it, dr. anthony fauci, thank you so much. m...