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This nullification strategy. if we can't get rid of a law we don't like, we're going to use the filibuster it defund, decapitate, or we'll use procedures to shut down the entire government of the united states. we can't let senate rules be used as a mechanism for what i call nullification behavior. >> all right, i want to thank senator tim kaine of virginia, for taking a few minutes to join us this morning. appreciate it. we'll pick this right up after this. ar so delicious. oh yeah. the cinna-sweet taste you just can't resist. cinnamon toast crunch. crave those crazy squares®. of their type ...

Reporting is exactly right. my friends at the white house say the same thing. we don't want to push a potential default up against the holiday shopping season. that's unlikely to happen. you hear reports, i heard dana say senate republicans want a resolution. that will come and i can guarantee you it won't defund ordeal lay obama care. this will be complete by the republicans. >> ralph, do you agree with that. will it be a complete come pitlation. they say the affordable care act is off the table. is a plan that ends the shutdown has a concession of the affordable care act by the president, is...

Republicans doing this. it's a great pr strategy, sounds good standing up to a bill they don't like. my fear is legislatively they can't defund it. president barack obama will veto the bill. he can find the funding on his own. my fear is republicans will get blamed. why not let you and your buddies own obama care. people will hate it and can run against it in the midterm, win the senate back and maybe the white house on it. >> this is the difference between reasonable republicans and wackos in the house. boehner would not like to have this. he's got a deal and has to go along with it. it makes...

Trick to get it passed. so in -- since august of 2009, abc has done 16 polls and not one time has obama care been above 50%. >> amy -- >> the american people don't want this -- >> amy, they went to the supreme court and the supreme court did not find -- wait a minute. they did not find any trick. they said it was constitutional. they went to the american public. and the republican candidate ran on all of that, and he was defeated. and defeated by a large margin. you can't defund it -- >> i'm not going to -- >> just a second. i let you finish. you can't defund it without the senate voting. you ...

Stamps and lazy people don't go to work. here's a graphic that shows in 2010, 30% of food stamp recipients worked. the rest of them are old people, children and disabled. there you go. >> 13 million -- excuse me. >> more than double are on food stamps now. >> those numbers are accurate. they're accurate numbers. republicans are trying to defund food stamps. >> 34 million people don't work that get food stamps. >> elderly, disabled and children. >> that's a lot. >> we've got to go. >> the comedy central booth must have been busy. they were busy editing my comments made earlier in the week. >> t...