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Rural white voters, what they are expressing is this feeling that the city elites, you're right, the big divide with city versus rural, but it's become a cultural issue. there's a lot of very good pieces from people living in rural america saying, you know, we hate the idea that the whole of america is dominated, obsessed and fascinated by cities. how do you think that makes people like us feel. >> right. >> all the movies are set in the cities. >> they feel forgotten. >> and so it's -- what i mean is, it used to be very simple. if you were a working class guy in a factory you understood that ...

That he -- i think that's what makes them a little bit nervous that sense that he is really touching a nerve that she at this point isn't reaching. >> that's well said. you agree with that? i think there is a vacuum among not just white working class guy. number is competitive among college crowd. >> i think hillary had to get more serious this week than where trump went on his proposal to ban muslims. he had the -- republicans that weren't saying anything this week, paul ryan and dick cheney. hillary had to step back and get more serious with trump because -- >> why was she part of the chuckl...

The middle east. everything was sheer nationalist. nationalist with an economic covering. but it was really tribal. and i think he's reaching the white working class guy. this stuff is just catnip for him, this immigration issue of refugees coming here. catnip! >> it is, because he was there first and he shows he's decisive and it plays into his. we see with all these governors, clearly finger in the wind. >> the national parties of europe have always been there in the recent 20 years. and there's always like a national party that's going to be third, you know -- >> absolutely. >> they never q...

Vice president was saying here is the things i fought for and i'm proud of and things i will defend going forward. classic joe. >> i thought it was classic. i don't know -- i know him a bit. i was impressed by him knocking the people who thought he wasn't sophisticated enough. >> it all starts with giving the middle class a fighting chance. i know you in the press love to call me middle class joe and i know in washington that is not meant as a compliment and means you are not sophisticated. it is about the middle class. >> we had the firefighters talking about how much they like biden because ...

Get down to regular people and connect with the working class guy in the corner? >> i think what has always been joe's strength is his big heart. he is somebody who just connects with folks and people who understand has been an under dog and seen life from the hard side. that's why from cops to firefighters, from working people, unions in delaware they have always loved him. he has a really strong record on civil rights, on equality. he has fought for lgbt rights. there are a lot of people who see joe and see a man with a big heart and a willingness to fight for emthe. part of what was hard to...