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Because he did not lose. it is something we hear frequently. in calling around to the people you talk to, is that the view? >> so much of vice president biden's campaign is not about candidate performance. the nation knows him. democratic voters in many respects are comfortable with him. when i was at a majority-black church in south carolina a few months ago, voters told me they like vice president biden, they respect him from his tenure with president obama. and so that name i.d., that whole persona has propelled him forward in this democratic race. and it will likely continue to keep him in...

>> so much of vice president biden's campaign is not about candidate performance. the nation knows him. democratic voters in many respects are comfortable with him. when i was at a majority-black church in south carolina a few months ago, voters told me they like vice president biden, they respect him from his tenure with president obama. and so that name i.d., that whole persona has propelled him forward in this democratic race. and it will likely continue to keep him in this race, at least until super tuesday according to most democratic strategists, but they say he is someone who is moderat...

>> exactly right. he is a great campaigner. he brings a smile to your face. not everyone, a lot of people in the u.k. don't like him, but he has energy. he is unconventional pretty is antiestablishment. and that's what people are responding to. that's why it is an interesting thing to think about when you look at the elections next year here in america. similar sort of thing going on with president trump's appeal, and one more thing i would say is that even though the very early days in terms of the number of seats of the election declared, one of them already is really significant, the conser...

Election. so i think we are seeing it play out. he has a lot of support among working class voters. and so elizabeth warren is much more what we call in politics the wine track crowd, much better educate the crowd. more of a you floriaffluent. >> and so if your job is to get bernie sanders to 50% plus one, who is sitting on more future bernie sanders supporters, joe biden or elizabeth warren? >> that is a good question. a lot of research suggests that joe biden has a lot of working class support. and what we believe is that people become more and more familiar with joe biden's record, that toe...

Important observations here, joe, is that there is a shade of gray to this argument that conor lamb ran on some trump issues. he co-opted the authentic version of what trump sold on the campaign trail. what trump sold on the campaign trail in terms of his populist economic agenda is not how he's governed so the danger for all republicans is that this working class support for president trump has shown to be very shallow, when you have a democrat come into an area where, by the way, there's still more people in this district registered as democrats to make that populist economic argument. you s...