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Narratives sort of setting themselves up to get us, knowing the peculiarities here, how people are, to set up this conversation that leads to the required votes, 218, to get it passed? >> i think the speaker is going to get the votes that are necessary. they're absolutely gonna have to be some freedom caucus members, i know many of them very, very well, who will not vote for this. some of them have had some really strict requirements that probably would've prohibited the majority of democrats from agreeing, and even the president from agreeing to some kind of deal. i think as long as the speak...

The public doesn't like to see this kind of brinkmanship, and i think they're mostly going to react with some sense of relief, but also pox on both their houses attitude towards this. pox on both their >> that's an interesting point, for michael, because you have a situation because of a situation where people will be looking for votes. the democrats are going to be looking for some republican votes or republicans are gonna be looking for a democratic voice here because, as indicated, not everyone on the hard right or hard left are going to be happy with this deal. they just aren't. that's the...

Not be as disappointed as they might be fearing tonight. >> let's get a sense of what democrats may be thinking, jonathan. joining us now is former democratic congresswoman debbie mccarr so powell. congresswoman, great having you on in the midst of this breaking news. give us your sense -- on assessment of what you heard from mccarthy and if you've had any conversations with members, what are you hearing among democrats right now? >> well, good evening, michael. look, there's been a lot of anxiety for members for some of the members that i served with the democratic caucus because they underst...

Budge in this negotiating process as you very well laid out, who do you think is gonna have to swallow the hardest? >> we i actually think, michael, there will be a number of folks who have to hold their nose and vote for this deal, frankly. and i think including folks in the democratic caucus if you can expect not just some members of the progressive -- the commercial progressive caucus, but also members in the republican conference, or the freedom congress, i heard your conversation with -- earlier. but this, look, president biden should be commanding, he got a deal in principle. now it's on...

Finding that nirvana moment? what is happening on the hill? >> what's happening right now, michael, is that republicans are actually on a conference call as we speak. kevin mccarthy the speaker of the house is updating on the parameters of the bill. and what this is is it's really mccarthy and his leadership's team's first check on where his members stand. we are told that there is going to be a white house briefing for democratic house members tomorrow. so while this agreement in principle has apparently been reached, there is still a lot of challenges ahead. especially finding the 218 votes....