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makes it all the more concerning when you look at how many of trump's pardons carried the stink of political patronage and best in corrupt self-interest at worst. according to pew research center over the course of his four years in office trump only granted 237 acts of clemency. that's the third lowest number of pardons for any president in history. only the two president bush is pardoned fewer people. it would seem that trump was extremely selective about who he pardoned. still some of his pardons were widely praised. like alice johnson in 2020 who was serving life in prison for a ...

Mention. these are all people and also before. these are all people didn't cooperate with the russia investigation. there were people didn't cooperate with congress. roger stone -- these are all people that trump suggested to them, look, if you cooperator down cooperate against the investigators and i will save you at the end. this seems to be an exact repeat of that behavior. >> so, in the abstract, it's weird and terrible and there's no historical a parallel but it's not in the abstract because last night don trump delivered a speech in pennsylvania in which he rolled up his supporters using...

Thank you so much. great to have alex lay that out because the webs are tangled, and in detail. >> cnn legal analyst and former pral prosculator renato mariotti is here, and shan wu, he was the attorney for paul manafort's righthand man, rick gates. let's start with manafort, shan. i want to ask you about what happened in court and what that could mean. if manafort's attorneys want to know from the mueller team what they think he lied about to break the deal, and they want to see evidence of what that could be. that could mean discovery. is that a problem for mueller's team if that's what happ...

It really begs the question, and what it suggests to me as somebody who was a prosecutor for a long time, is there's more here. and while we're all going to be waiting to see what happens, mueller has been digging and probably knows some more of those answers and we'll find them out in the months to come. >> shan, i mean, the president very famously in an interview with "the new york times" had said that mueller looking into his finances would be a red line. i think it was his family and his finances. this definitely seems to be what we're looking at now. what do you think that now means? >> y...