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Trump is guilty. >> you gene, i looked at twitter. david from tweeted a single sentence. i'm sad about will hurd. i'll play 16 seconds of will hurd, but this is what david from and others are sad about. >> an impeachable offense should be compelling, overwhelmingly clear, and unambiguous, and it's not something to be rushed or taken lightly. i've not heard evidence proving the president committed bribery or extortion. >> as you know, he was the great republican hope of democrats. on his way. getting out of dodge. >> very intelligent measured reasonable guy. >> and if you can't will hurd on you...

Stands up once it gets to the supreme court? >> well, i'm not a lawyer. but i have -- to be honest, i have no idea whether it will stand up, but i think if i were recommending that it stand up, i would say that it should stand up. that is, the pro bigs ought to stand up, because of primarily because it is unconstitutional as i understand it. >> and amy, again, we talk about the politics. president trump says he's going to veto this if it does pass through both chambers. >> it's a tough vote for members. i think the rebuke of this letter that john signed is similar in context to the rebuke that...

They know nothing about. they remain there and big reason they remain there so long is because of these new processing requirements under this administration. not only do they need to make sure they are going a safeguardian they have to fingerprint the entire house. run it through the criminal databases. run it through the fbi. make sure there's not a brother in there with a dui. these are the standards they are using to put these children in these houses and keeping them for a long time. a lot of people say it's a policy with good intentions but the american ped tick association says children...

You gene, i want to get your thoughts on, if this is a breakup between donald trump and steve bannon, who gets what? who inherits the hannity relationship? who inherits breitbart? who inherits the trump base? >> well, okay, so, the president gets the hannity relationship. >> okay. like the records, right? let's split them up. >> hannity goes to trump. breitbart eventually, i think, goes to bannon, i mean, that's where the allegiance is. and the base, what's left of the base, is confused. mostly, i think, with trump, because they still have faith in him, but i don't think they're ready to -- i ...

Now, i can tell you minutes ago pat lynch, head of the police union, showed up here in uniform, to pay his respects. we just learned minutes ago as well, brewedbruden college wher officer ramos' son went, offered to pay the remainder of his tuition for his education. >> adam reiss in brooklyn, thank you. on set is former nypd officer eugene o'donnell, now professor of law at jon jay college of criminal justice and in d.c., nbc news senior political reporter perry bacon. you gene, i start with you. i have to imagine this moment is especially hard for police officers in new york city and america...