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Place on thursday and the attorney generals multi-counsel fraud trial against trump, his sons, and several business entities. and d.c., on tuesday, a federal appeals court will hear oral arguments on trump's claim of presidential immunity for his official acts while in the oval office. the stakes couldn't be higher or more time sensitive. at the d.c. election interference cases over -- remains a liberal. that trial date affects the mar-a-lago dates, and so on, and so on. my next guest makes the case for decision-making with deliberate speed on msnbc.com. right, in courts may not always be able...

What the outcome of this immunity motion will have to be. >> i don't want to prejudge what's going to happen in this, case and i agree with you, i think the absolute immunity defense gets thrown out, but something happened a few days ago with lena haboob, he was a trump lawyer. i want to bring this up with you. she made a statement on the news. i'm going to call the news because it was fox. she said the people in kaufman, a who justice brett kavanaugh, who the president fought for, who the president went through hell to get into place, he'll step up. those people will step up. is that not enou...

Lyrics or some other type of evidence, katie, if you read the indictment for, this ysl case, you go through the over acts in support of this criminal conspiracy, and i think that my friend brian steele, who represents jeffrey williams, didn't amazing job in opening statements. the vast majority of those over acts are those like jeffrey williams posted a picture from himself saying why a cell on his instagram page. those are the types of things that prosecutors are allowed to make when they go through a statute like rico. instead of if there is a murder, there is a murderer in this wide cell ca...

The florida mar-a-lago related criminal prosecution, where she has been played, you know, slow ball. i think some people would call it death, while trying to keep that case from going anywhere. what we're see now and washing ten is very hopeful. to people who aren't lawyers, i think the speed at which courts move is mystifying, extremely slow. what we've seen in these last couple of weeks has been lightning speed, out of both of these courts. the court of appeals set the immunity argument on a fast schedule of quick oral arguments that happen on tuesday. you, know it's very interesting that th...

This is that she's a black woman. that's the uncomfortable truth here. it's an uncomfortable truth because, in this case, it's clear. she got her job because of her race and gender. i have to say it out loud. we have to adjust the problem, speak the truth. claudine guy was to harvard as kamala harris as to the democratic party, actually. right? when somebody gets their job with other incompetence, i mean, kamala harris is, cases like the equivalent of clotting guy at harvard for the paper she's writing. >> i mean, nina. there is a lot to say about vivek ramaswamy but this i think is the one of...