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democrats in the mid-terms as it may wallop another inflation boom on our economy. the white house struggles with this question. >> how much does this cost? >> you know, the questions are still coming out, depending how many people take advantage of it. >> that remains to be determined. it will be a function of what percentage of eligible borrowers take up this opportunity. >> we have to get a better sense of what we're talking about as far as costs. >> martha: yeah. that's where that is. let's bring in marc thiessen, fox news contributor. mark, great to have you with us this afterno...

Enough to schedule an oval office meeting for president zelensky. that was the take away. that's what i referred to repeatedly in the coming weeks whenever it became relevant. i'll remind you that, one more important point. throughout this time as i testify, we were trying to find a formula, things we could do with ukrainians that would convince the president that they were worth talking to. >> maybe mr. holmes, the take away was he thought it was no big deal because he already knew. hea didn't remember because we already had the transcript. we had the trump/zelensky transcript had been out fo...

Not like him for being like them -- >> that's called delusional. that's why we're here to inform these people. that's why we're here to let them know that a quid pro quo is a shakedown. it's extortion. even if you don't think it's important, the same thing that happened with nixon, they may not have thought it was important, and all of a sudden the president is caught on tape lying or trying to -- >> but they had a burglary there on him. >> have you read the transcript? >> yeah. >> have you heard the witness testimony? >> yeah, but i don't know that you easily attach a felony to it. look, i th...

Capitol hill. there's no other way to put it. that's why everybody is attacking the process on the other side. this was devastating testimony by lieutenant colonel alexander vindman. the national security council's top expert on ukraine, who still works in the white house. he's wrapping up ten hours of testimony tonight. he testified that most of what is revealed in that rough log of that july 25th call between president trump and ukraine's president, where trump pressured the ukrainian leader to investigate joe biden, tried to shake him down, that it's accurate. but "the new york times" is re...

Law, but you don't need it for the analysis. >> it actual sounds a lot nicer than what the president did on that call if the transcript is to be believed. >> it's just an establishing concept for that kind of change that can be malignant, and it was here. >> most people don't know what a quid pro quo is. >> it means this for that, and they get it. it's not about the american people not getting it. it's about them not buying into this process because they think it's an industry standard, and they think the left does it, and the right does it. why should the left be able to move somebody from th...