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The various leaks that we have had over the last several years f this were an investigation either a defense attorney representing a witness or someone in congress, i don't think that this would be kept as confidential as it should be. and i think there would be word trickling out. and we haven't heard that. but i don't know whether there is an investigation or not. all i know is that there absolutely should be. >> jackie, it is a tour of force of reporting. stunning. i want to spend time reading from it. this is the section that dan goldman is talking about. in those first days of january, th...

Evidence -- [ no audio ] >> i want to stay with -- [ no audio ] can you hear us, dan goldman? we had a system glitch. are you there? >> i'm here. >> okay. >> go ahead. >> i was going to say -- you need to link the violence to these efforts to overturn the will of the people. that remains to be seen. >> let me follow up with you there. i mean, i want to read the part of the reporting that you are talking about. their activities included -- from jackie's reporting in the "washington post." their activities included finding and publicizing alleged evidence of fraud, urging members of state legisl...

President pence himself. ultimately, though, it was, you know, a lot of state legislatures, as we quoted, called bluff on the operation. they said that there was -- after month of searching for the fraud, there was no such evidence. we have not found such eviden all of these claims were unsubstantiated. it was up to mike pence to withstand that pressure. he ultimately did. >> he did what he did. but donald trump at least through the 5th was under the understanding that he was down with the coup. let me read this statement from january 5th that was circulating over the weekend with your reporti...

History, chris kreb, zero fraud found by bill barr. we are finding 33 states passed voter suppression laws. we are watching republicans govern based on a lie. i wonder why democrats don't look stronger in the polsz according to your view eddie? >> i think it has to do with emphasizing process as opposed to understanding the existential threat. we talked about that before. i think the process of sausage making that's in d.c. right now is so weighted and vexed -- because we are not only debatesing the workings of our democracy. we are debating the fact that billionaires have gotten richer while ...