Another is being held awaiting a fifty eight thousand dollars bail payment vans carrying the jailed ministers were seen leaving the high court in madrid a judge ordered their detention as part of an investigation into catalonia as push for independence the regions deposed leader card has pushed him on remains in brussels prosecutors are seeking european arrest warrant for him. Has the latest from madrid. Where it was still waiting to hear from the judge from what we understand this the judge should be asking for a european arrest warrant to be issued. And the four cabinet ministers who are with him at the moment in belgium but already since the morning weve heard from his lawyer in belgium who said that if and when that comes true the belgium law has provisions to fight that back he said it has happened to the past hinting at basque separatists he was representing in two thousand and ten now the nine other cabinet ministers actually left the National Court behind us they were taken to a different prison facilities around madrid one of them is only there pending bail that should be paid tomorrow and then he can walk free he is the he is the business minister of the former the deposed Regional Government and he actually had resigned before the unilateral declare declare ration of independence now the judge said that it remanded in custody all these ministers simply because she couldnt trust. Because she suspected that they could actually try to leave the country and join. In belgium. Israeli Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu is meeting the u. K. Prime minister to resign may in london his visit coincides with the centenary of the Balfour Declaration when britain promised the creation of a jewish state in palestine meeting is to be followed by a dinner hosted by descendants of off about full the Balfour Declaration has long been condemned by many palestinians who say it led to the breakup of their homeland myanmars leader unsung suchi has visited racketing state for the First Time Since a military crackdown force more than six hundred thousand ranjit to flee their homes the Nobel Laureate has been facing International Criticism for failing to speak up in defense of the ranger who the u. N. Say of the victims of ethnic cleansing or the International Federation of the red cross and Red Crescent Society says the threat of cholera is now a ticking bomb for their agenda range in living in camps in bangladesh a facing poor sanitation and a lack of hygiene facilities which is putting at risk we are definitely sitting on a ticking bomb as far as water sanitation and hygiene is concerned so the if you look at the sheer number of people and it was only efforts being deployed in building latrines that are not to look profound enough in a way the west you know have to be manageable one way or the other you have. Every reason to feel that we can get into situations that can lead to political breaks. Newly released documents recovered from osama bin ladens pakistan compound show secret dealings between iran and al qaida in one thousand page report that was included in the release by the cia says iran offered al qaeda money weapons and training to american targets in saudi arabia iran has long denied any involvement with the group and not in was killed in his compound in two thousand and eleven. U. S. President says the man charged with carrying out a new york city truck attack should get the Death Penalty is back in the ground has been charged with terror related offenses after he confessed to acting in the name of i still a candlelight vigil has been held in new york for the eight People Killed in the attack those the headlines but coming up next digital dissidents spotlights Julian Assange john Edwards Edward snowden and insight into the personal experiences of the most famous whistleblowers of the twenty First Century ill be back with more news after that in about twenty five minutes time so do stay with aljazeera much more coming up for you bye for now. At the moment we are in a state of universally deception i took an oath to support for the constitution taking all its forms that aside and started something that was important and was for a week act to call these people super heroes it is not so good because it search the well. For some people their superheroes for others simply traitors whistleblowers like Daniel Ellsberg thomas drake William Binney and would snowden. Hackers and activists like the wiki leaks founder Julian Assange and the former British SecretService Agent an emotional they want to support the complete surveillance of our society they oppose intelligence agencies governments and corporations and for this they are threatened hounded and imprisoned. Why are they so committed to what drives them. To. San francisco california. The cradle of our modern day. Puter industry home to creative technicians and visionaries hackers and whistleblowers. In a suburb of San Francisco lives the godfather of all whistleblowers. Daniel ellsberg. And probably the only whistleblower that i know of who can make a living as a lecture because im the one who was put on trial for a hundred fifteen years im the one who isnt involved in the president being resigning because of his crimes against me so he made me notorious enough. That i can make a living here who looks and ellsberg studied economics science at harvard in the one nine hundred fifty s. After graduating he enrolled like many fellow whistleblowers in the military. And of. You she courage here all right and you have a conventional sure high courage youve been trained for youve been disciplined for but you see it it happens you have the training works and people are risking their bodies and their life. Every minute. At the end of the one nine hundred sixty s. Ellsberg worked at the u. S. Embassy in vietnam. He became known by publishing the secret pentagon papers which proved that the us president had lied to the American Public about the vietnam war for years. Ellsberg decided to make the documents public after meeting peace activists who had refused the draft. I would not have thought of doing it if i didnt have the example of many many people. Who are going to prison for nonviolent resistance to the craft. In one nine hundred sixty nine ellsberg began smuggling parts of the pentagon papers out of the Government Agency he worked for and copy them over the following months. A total of seven thousand pages of secret documents. In march one nine hundred seventy one he passed the documents to the New York Times who eventually printed them. Ellsberg surrendered himself and was charged with theft and unauthorized possession of pentagon material. The trial collapsed when it came to light that nixon and illegally wiretapped ellsberg. And agents had broken into his psychiatry ists office. Ellsberg thereafter remained a free man. If they arrest me or indict me then i will say it was only me. Patricia day next to me to cooperate. So happens and she i couldnt figure out why she wasnt indicted by the way because she had dont want to copy. Her free card her fragrance folded paper or here i thought it was because she didnt want such a beautiful woman sitting next to me at the defense table in front of the jury. I would advise people now not to do what i did to reveal themselves if they can avoid it. I reveal myself for this same reason no doubt. Essentially we knew that other people would be suspected and maybe even charged with cancer consentual evidence against. People who might look more more guilty than you did. In a way i would rather take the risks of democracy and the risks or should. Mr Daniel Ellsberg. We have a third analyst who will be joining us from russia one of the one of my real heroes and i think many people in this room many people in the Hacker Community many people in america. Edward snowden welcome. Thank you. More than forty years after Daniel Ellsberg n. S. A. Employee Edward Snowden emerges as a whistleblower in the usa now has a new public enemy number one. Thanks to manning and now do you im getting more favorable publicity. In forty years already have. Because suddenly people who were all for putting me in prison for life before now realize that i was really a very good guy i was the. I was the good whistleblower and so im im totally you of course rejected this from the beginning that i didnt want to be a foil for. Showing a badly to people that i totally admired there was a moment of hope x. Hobarts conference in july in new york city. Ellsberg. I was having a live conversation with snowden we have a front as america and its members of the Global Community and know the broad outlines of bomb policies that have a Significant Impact on our lives and i think thats something that tom grant showed me how to do the right way. There was a moment where he said. Very clearly very distinctly that i showed him the right way. I had always hope that its now become a law. Thomas drake served during the cold war in europe in the one nine hundred eighty s. With the u. S. Air force which included work as a signals analyst on spy planes hoovering the soviet union so my day job is reconnaissance a better country. And theyre right by the way was the computers. This was it was a vast world that youre now you you know you ball is virtually your very quickly you have these both of moores dialing you know chaos computer. Got a version of that. In the one nine hundred ninety s. Drake worked as a Software Developer for the cia in september two thousand and one he was hired as a Senior Analyst by the n. S. A. My first ever job as nine eleven we were working on you know sixteen eighteen hour days i mean it was that those four months after nine eleven are a blur because as it was just. Your network we recognized that this was a significant event in history. Whatever you got in a fight whatever you got the labs we need it whatever tools you can use to prosecute those behind. Nine eleven. Do it. I was selected as the designated Senior Executive and say the lead up that effort to find anything we had to fight and so i did and thats where i brought to the attention of others tools techniques programs things are in the lab things are pilots things that were being dissed testbed the mantra that went out from n. S. A. By general hayden he kept going around saying we just need to make americans feel safe again feel safe even out banners. And i discovered during those first couple three weeks after nine eleven all this information that we as you imagine was pouring in after nine eleven literally being use to monitor and surveil and intercept u. S. Domestic communications on an extraordinarily broad scale. I was finding this out within days of nine eleven and others were coming to me saying what are we doing top. Among the snowden documents were figures for the u. S. Secret service budget. Since september eleventh they supposedly doubled by twenty five billion to fifty two billion u. S. Dollars in two thousand and thirteen. The surveillance programs continued to metastasize they continue expand it in ways that still have not been fully revealed. And this became sort of the collect all mindset mentality what does that lead to well yes. You have these other interesting arrangements with certain internet providers and telecommunication concerns its a temptation is are enormous and its like a you know give us access or back in or open it up and thats what happened i mean and now youre seeing a lot of this unfold. The National Security agency n. S. A. For short the largest Foreign Intelligence Agency in the usa has been responsible for the worldwide monitoring of Electronic Communications since one thousand nine hundred fifty two. Some of the thirty five thousand employees werent comfortable with the massive expansion of surveillance since september eleventh. All of the colleagues that i knew which was just a handful bill Binnie Ed Loomis Kirk we chose to retire from the n. S. A. And late october two thousand and one they realize what was happening they could not stand by and see the subversion of the constitution and all the work that they had done being used for mass surveillance they left the agency i begged them to stay i chose to remain and fight from with it as long as i could i got mad at them you know so i my my objective was that counterattack i dont believe in defense you know just sitting back and being defensive i mean you have to get out there and attack so thats what i started doing that was my point its time to attack so basically was a declaration of war. Against my government. William binney mathematician and programmer initially worked for the n. S. A. As an analyst then later as the technical director of the secret service. As the boss of a six thousand strong team he developed a wiretap program that anonymously filtered and processed large volumes of data. I tried to do that the right thing right after nine eleven trying to make a contribution that would make a difference they refused to accept it so it was basically blocked that there was nothing i could do they would accept nothing from me the n. S. A. Directors decided against the program from vinnys team and opted for another they collected much more data. The problem is i helped in designing the system thats in use. Because i knew what was possible once they started using those programs and opening it up to massive data input on everybody in the planet so it was pretty clear that it was obvious to me how they were using it and what theyre doing with it so i mean because i understood the design of the systems. And so after that when they started spying on us citizens violating the constitution i had to leave i couldnt be a part of all the criminal activity that was going on and thats fundamentally i call that treason against the country so i got out at the end of october following day two thousand and one. One year later binney submitted a complaint to the u. S. Defense department for wasting state funds the complaint was examined but had no effect the patriot bill binney became a combative whistleblower a role model for many today. This is his friend came here intelligence possesses integrity you know for two thousand and fifty two really. Believe represents the patches the side that you retain to let me clear this race like tom drake and its no use to tell you this integrity is for c. And his past thank you. This is yours i was assistant to your told and so worse of you. So think you know. I knew every major leader in this city general hayden personally and i have to say that i met. With through the taker the character since i left sid. Opted out of the system his colleague thomas drake fight against the violation of civil rights from within the n. S. A. My new for the moment i stood up to my own supervisor and i went to her and said what are we doing violating the prime directive do you cannot spy on americans out of war you dont understand. I confronted my boss i go to the o. The Office General counsel i confront him and then he says dont ask any more questions. Now youre faced with a dilemma i didnt give the order im not the one that was implementing the survey of the master valence program the digital dragnet what do you do i chose to blow the whistle. But how do you do that knowing theres a master valence program and knowing the n. S. A. Was targeting targeting journalists. I made arrangements in encrypted form to communicate. Anonymously with this reporter. Then i made a decision that i would meet the reporter. That was in february of two thousand and seven. The journalist subsequently published a number of articles about the waste and mismanagement of the n. S. A. The repercussions were enormous but the n. S. A. Let the attacks come to nothing as drake did not prove the central part of his criticism with documents. This tactic suddenly stopped working in two thousand and thirteen. Edward snowdens material that stuff he took made it absolutely impossible for them to deny what they were doing because it simply laid out in their terms on their slides what they were doing and it was impossible for them to deny it. So i dont think mr snowden was a patriot. That way in a way which these disclosures happen. Have been damaging to be United States and damaging to our intelligence capabilities people ask as i see it is the patriot or traitor you know thats the headline in all these things Edward Snowden patriot or that drives me nuts the very thought you know that people could regard it was a traitor we will likely. Face is the cost in human lives on tomorrows battlefield or in in some in some some place where where we will put our military forces you know when we ask them to go into harms way and i think thats thats the greatest cost that we face with the disclosures that have that have been presented so far. You know who was the one person in the n. S. A. Who did what he absolutely should have done how many people should have done what you did what snowden is revealing is a global trait to tension for democracy any. Being a patriot doesnt rule you know obedience to authority. Putting aside your obligations to your people to your country for the benefit of your government is the opposite of patriotism. Until the revelations by Edward Snowden the warnings of Intelligence Agency critics were always shrugged off a speculation only after he had published all the original n. S. A. Documents was there proof and concrete evidence provided for the first time. Documents made all the difference it is more risky to do that it also makes all the difference in terms of political effect Snowden Manning and i gave the documents less than one percent of the starting documents have been published thats terrible terrible things those those documents do not belong to a journalist they do not belong to it so they do not belong to the National Security agency they belong to history theyre part of something that humanity has gone through every single one of us have been has been a victim of the National Security agency spying all human beings use the internet. The victims of it and the victims deserve to know what has happened to them. I think the opportunity is in producing a very broad global outrage about what has happened in every country and informing all the victims of that surveillance about what is actually happening to them and releasing enough documents so that all the technical industries. Hackers and computer programmers can think of and other governments can work out how to protect them so. Julian assange hacker and journalist was interested in Computer Programming from an early age as a teenager he had already happened to foreign data systems and military Networks Later he studied physics and mathematics in melbourne in two thousand and six he founded the whistle blowing website wiki leaks which publishes secret documents of governments intelligence agencies and corporations kind of ellsberg was an insider and snowden was an insider. Would say that i was never inside. I was. Inside. You know trade intelligence and big companies. As a computer hacker and later as an alum and almost analyzing their material. So i had exotic team sense for what they were about but i never had the fear that one should work for these organizations for people who were in the u. S. National Security System it was like there are drug. Drug that made them powerful because there were groups that have a lot of power and. That system has a way of talking about how the world works and how United States empire is a good thing and i can take a long time towards that drug out of the system i dont know its purpose namely entirely worse that system but the more recent whistleblowers they still have perhaps some way to go the only difference i have from the charges i think. Is i think that he probably believes more in the value of total truth or near total transparency than i do. In india women is all this sending the undefined there aint having maybe one or one eats meets these elderly mother. 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Hello im Maryanne Demasi and with a quick look at the top stories on aljazeera a spanish judge has ordered a catalan leaders to be remanded in custody pending an investigation and possible trial of a cats lennys independence push spain state prosecutor has also requested a european arrest warrant for al say the card is punched him aunt and four others like him on failed to show up at Spains High Court on accusations of rebellion sedition and misuse of public funds he remains in brussels on to until i meet has been following events in the draft. It does put. The Political Leadership in disarray if all these people that the people are going to jail for the next few weeks that they will not be able to take part in the Upcoming Elections december twenty first. If the european arrest warrant is issued oh well then be either has to come back and give himself or you would be considered a fugitive. He has visited rock and state for the First Time Since a military crackdown forced more than six hundred thousand range of muslims to flee their homes the Nobel Laureate has been facing International Criticism for failing to speak up in defense of the ranger of the un say the victims of ethnic cleansing aid groups are worried also about the threat of cholera outbreaks in refugee camps. Israeli Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu is in london meeting with the british Prime Minister to resume a visit coincides with the centenary of the Balfour Declaration when britain promised the creation of the jewish state in palestine the declaration has long been condemned by palestinians the number of children in nigeria dying of pollution related illnesses is on the rise or operations in the delta region a being blamed researchers say sixteen thousand infants died in two thousand and twelve but that figure continues to grow with even more contamination of food air and water u. S. President donald trump has announced jay powell as his nominee for head of the u. S. Central bank if hes confirmed by the senate would be the first person without an advanced economics degree to be chairman of the Federal Reserve for nearly four decades the current chair janet yellen will end her turn in february youre up to date with all of our top stories much more coming up at the top of the next hour in about twenty five minutes time to join me then. And wiki leaks highly explosive documents can still be published anonymously that otherwise would be withheld through nondisclosure or censorship. According to wiki leaks all documents were checked for authenticity one major aim is to force corporations and intelligence agencies to abide to more transparency and social responsibility to shed light on their well kept secrets which cover up illegal and immoral behavior. By the us to get on here as the front of if youre going to. Fall in love yvonne does dominant. Make it fun for you or somebody kind of dog in afghanistan in fact ill sort of afghanistans and this just as a rhetorical counterattack just like something out of kandahar or just to say no no no you do that. And. Unfortunately the u. S. Press is sort of. So vile that it preprinted this nonsense so what he needs reveals very concretely very strong accurate documentation how the us is our own records shows that it was involved in one way or another in the deaths of more than a hundred twenty thousand people in iraq and afghanistan between two thousand and four and two thousand and ten. And the us governments response is maybe hypothetically as a result of this release of this material some afghan family or u. S. Soldier. Could face risks thats the standard accusation or like what tom drake did threaten military lives exposing corruption fraud waste and abuse doesnt threaten military lives continuing then threatens military lives now the end result is that they are forced to admit last year on the earth that a Single Person had been harmed as a result of publications. Sons demand the protection of individual privacy on the one hand and on the other radical transparency of governments and corporations but one of the motives of whistleblowers why do intelligence insiders step forward into the light risking their careers their lives to expose the wrongdoings of those in power. Is there a common name a collective mission of this Broad Alliance and wild mix of patriotic exceeded Service Agents and arctic hackers cyberpunks and intellectual publicists the common theme with among all of us is that we support human rights and we support the publics right to know information and especially when it threatens the public or threatens the democracy or freedom of individuals i mean thats the kind of common theme that goes through all of it i think but its a lonely act that you come it as one person but i was convicted by the truth of what i knew so i made a conscious choice to yes violate a nondisclosure agreement and we also took the oath to protect and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic so that means even our government if its violating the constitution so we have we have the responsibility to stand up against that its the moral agency youre confronted by activity that demands a response. And youre in a pious where you have access to information you have access your eye witness series such an eyewitness or you or you were brought into awareness. Five. And when youve got someone have a specific going past him. When hes been off their mind im just mondays contest is kind of divines initial Event Association with you thats when this. Then. Tons of my fondest bits in and out of tons. Of done psych this does. Have an advantage. So all of sudden bosses wouldnt need someone to fuck. Off and mention the fed it is recently. This is going for from. The. High profile leaks we fun fun fun mending friends no. Fun not this kind not when its. This is absolute no definition and i know stephens equal have always just i mean. To call these people superheroes is not good because you. Know they get it i admire that but me im not a superhero who thinks of themselves as a superhero me not you know were sixteen year old. Dreamer you know. You get your excuse for not doing it it doesnt take a shipper here and these people know that these people were going to turn to. Michael in the fog it was no wouldnt it is the name be on to a. Few months to a month on clothes and most of whom this is. Often. Only sign in if it becomes act you know who become to be annoying because of us and he could put you know him be contrarian of the on the inside thing was going with this off. Fifty push its own somebodys khana in space on the do its of interest because thats all in all though thats because in the in the chilis it was snowden intended on the least seen t. In. Thirty eight the same ve in. The same the. Time this is kept out of what i see when was it was no didnt and its not in this i mean it in seen him on the snowden or does it seem under julian that its misty to be interested in emily coming to tonys top of the top officer vowed not to let this be a nation. That is not sufficient to have to a consequence of events. Then you still have no if someone dies if they think not to trust the up this with the best is about does a slow design many identity for. When done with conflict kids design does testify to the p. C. But so i wont thats must a new pledge attention fad that doesnt mean we have a new mindset to most this tour. Each democracy punch which he executive branch in each country whether its going to be democratic or not knowing every she is going to private lives of all of their citizens to religious leaders to journalists there are judges and theyre ordinary people who could be turned into informants. With those people knowing almost nothing about the government the government be ok with sugar too and the people being transparent you guys this is the most ridiculous ive ever seen you know you sure everybody in the country and everybody in the world were not in bali to. Insert your secret. If you dont have prissy in your communications you cant guarantee they can hold a telephone conversation or rational mellow view stuff from the internet or read books and once that is known to the authorities and it can you begin to self censor what you say and what you read. And immersion is a former agent of the British NationalIntelligence Agency m i five. Even going to withdraw a little bit below normal life because youre told you cant mention youre being recruited by fives and that means that people tend to focus much more on the life within m i five say begin to socialise a lot more with other people there because you can talk about stuff. And also you end up mainly in the relationships with your fellow Intelligence Officer this is how i met my former partner and colleague David Shayler. When schiller made the illegal practices of the Intelligence Service public and supported him in becoming a whistleblower. In one thousand nine hundred seventy shortly before the publication of the secret documents the couple flew to france. They went underground for a year and subsequently lived in paris for to use in two thousand they returned to london or went to prison. Was spared since then she fights for Government Accountability and campaigns for the rights of whistleblowers when David Shayler and i ended up going on the run after doing the whistle on a series of crimes when i thought. We were very conscious of exactly how they could be termed here as an investigative yes so where every week. Thought well the telephone might be compromised the computer might be comprised there might be microphones in where we were living there might be video cameras recording what we did and also people might be turned to vote against us so theyre all these different techniques that they can use and this is way back in the ninetys and laurier so even at that point where we are on the run from m i five across europe we use the only sure fire way that we need to communicate to each other securely which was to put a piece of glass or ceramic on a surface and put one sheet of paper on it and then you cover it so that nothing can read what you write in the paper you dont say anything you just write what you want to a piece of paper and then you allow the other person to read that message so theres no or year that can be no video and there can be no imprint under that one piece of paper then of course you have to get rid of that piece of paper so you have to burn it out polarize the ashes and the cost it the wins or to actually doesnt do because we know that our computers our telephones all of that can be compromised the video can be switched on maybe the audit commiseration mostly they can log what we write on the keyboard they can even and this comes from the snowden disclosures they can even use my queries apparently to beam into the screen and read what youre typing. We live in a Digital World where little remains unseen turning privacy into another luxury good. Bleak Science Fiction visions of a powerful surveillance apparatus with seemingly endless technical possibilities. Now only seems a question of time how does this change our behavior if every move we make every word we say is recorded a nationalized which rolls will we have to play and whose writing script. Having lived with that sense endemic surveillance i can tell you its a corrosive to human spirit so once you lose that sense privacy and you start to self censor you start to be an effective and fully integrated system of that country supremacy in my view is the last defense against a slide towards a police state or to tell us how innocent if you let go of your rights from moment youve lost them for a lifetime and thats why this matters is because it happened and we didnt know about me or told. Us you say you have nothing to hide see and nothing to worry about i have nothing to fear no hero language ok fine Church Church if youre going to do it at her house yes well just give me your keys yes car rental car rather read of this yes you have your purpose do you use your do you know what. You have facebook will give you know your passwords you have medical records trying to those over to me to zero by the way all those Bank Accounts and all the records you just give me for safe keeping you have independent courts can you have an independent press. None of the n. S. A. Now has the potential to know every source of every journalist of every story. Following the emails following the phones following the people with their g. P. S. With their with their rifle. This is. The op this year here and and im asked it of all hong. And they are to master the order general is not about. Its not about to ring me its about surveillance of us. Its about watching the company for everybody in the country and on a global scale. In harsh contrast to the recently emerged facts great public outcry has not yet been heard. Now why dont people care in the u. K. Its a very easy answer partly its cultural because hes still in love with james bond and our political leaders immediately came out in defense of the intelligence agencies saying we know what they do they follow the law everyone go back to sleep dont worry so the train you sit in the u. K. And it wasnt i think as i said usa brazil and germany but its amazing how quickly people forget. In this and this does my message out as. Important to next move in pursuit of endorsement because what its about as a nation and something kind of ground of. Putting so close to me in bushland then i havent talked to the nixon berger. In that. When it became known in autumn two thousand and thirteen that the private cell phone of german chancellor Angela Merkel was tapped by the n. S. A. The public outcry in germany was initially large until then the german American Friendship had been close and germany believed to be an equal partner the United States. The friends spine and friends of course they do it everybody does next i mean we caught the israelis spying on us several times what did that do to our relationship but not really anything because we know everybody does that ok if you are a leader of a country in the world you are a target everybody wants to know what youre thinking so you are a target friends and foes everybodys looking to see or trying to find out what youre thinking universally true i mean thats thats why diplomacy was started right back and thousands of years ago so so i mean its nothing new chancellor merkel when she found out as to her private phone was being tapped i mean she should have and understood that from the beginning i mean there and her security should have told her that from the beginning and given her some protection since all the leaders understood it the fact that its exposed you have to be a object maybe publicly but in reality afterward you the relationship is too important to jeopardize just for a simple thing that you already knew was happening. As you have anything i notice you mention. This into this year that in different states in fairness there will be key leaks its the n. S. A. Affair that. Flows. To one was a hoss and who seek. For a life of a school good. Kind on the mukesh cuts on the getting votes again doesnt have the focus on the two you only give us a visit thats only part my. Problem in relation to box of violence is exactly the same as the problem of Global Warming exactly the same its not that of the zero effect here right now individually why is Global Warming interested in your and why santas saying to sit in your corner warming affects everyone because in general changing things boxer violence affects everyone because it leads to a general change in the nature of so i say sure quite a warming is invisible. Impenetrable you only had a glimpse maybe today was a bit harder i dont know is a coincidence or not. Similarly massive surveillance is invisible its conducted at these points that connect continents together or by the n. S. A. Staking its fangs into google. And these are extremely thorough physical and complex technologies that everyone except specialists does not understand specialists understand it and saying everyone else my god can you see whats happening simulate relation to Greenhouse Gases climate scientists understand it saying my god can you see whats happening in the case of. Climate science well theres a counter lobby which is the fossil fuel companies and all those profiting from that in the case of boxer violence theres the silence industry and intelligence agencies and so on and all those who are sucking down that information and profit from it and form a lot when the other direction so very similar. The fear of terrorist attacks makes the mass surveillance a Necessary Evil for many the much quoted if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear often legitimizes the snooping of covert agencies yet many are unaware of the actual extent of the surveillance. Basically a big program which provides the raw data that would then be analyzed it so it can be subjected to rules word. For. It says everything do. Is being analyzed its being weighed its being measured. But the Intelligence Services are not the only ones Monitoring Communications and processing massive data. Also pride. Corporations like google amazon facebook and apple collect millions of pieces of information about us to analyze and monetize. Tax i think is a south thats not on sacked that. Sent their watched off the signs once they went its just there are no envious shaft in the slick not to see their stuff to thank us and let us all screw had to be honest. We dont really know what exactly happens with our own digital trails our data is transferred invisibly to huge data centers. Sublimating into a complex new identity creating our digital self. Smartphones capture a communication behavior along when where and with whom we talk the data we create assembling our digital self is also of interest as a juicy source of information for the Intelligence Community. I dont do those clueless like that and its not just i phones thats all its life its i mean most smartphones of all these days. They were tapping the fiber lines between the google servers yet. They didnt even know this is going on google docs. I had a lot of. Surveillance. Also chase had to as a light it came out it was spying on us i think National Security agency it was a server it was a risk plane coming to the embassy to apply for asylum. Youve got to remember that inside the Intelligence Community there traffic these things are holding these guys up it as examples to say look if you say whats going on. Even if this even if you do it for the right reasons even if you do want to the right way there will be record cost. Hello you may still be disappointed with the weather in melbourne that all the weather in australia now is so high here on the bite stretching through victoria to a. C. T then back towards perth north of that looks quite quiet attempts actually dont quite reflect that twenty three in perth is reason we wore thirty three in Alice Springs and thats a feed that keeps the south warm until you get down here here we got a much more of a cold fetch only fifteen in melbourne so sydneys much better im not sure the want for us to come back to melbourne either it stays about the same facts anything it invades sydney dropping down to nineteen degrees is a bit disappointing really for spring the weather there is quite often active in australia you know heads across the tasman sea to new zealand were expecting a poor day on friday and there it is its rain rather than a thing else because its really quite mild seventeen or eighteen even warming up for the following day mind you it still looks disappointingly clarion even wet on saturday rain that stretches up towards dimia caledonia New Caledonia but tents tail off by the time i was out of the equator on the opposite season weve now got snow showing up just this is the second day where its potentially there in north korea its the northeastern china otherwise its been a rain for japan still very mild and again were talking rain not snow. Where there is water there is life but finding it in australias arid desert is a skill few still possess they took us to a small wet spot in the in the desert and this was this is a very important place theyve been telling us about for the last five days to clean it out. And warn is against all odds an aging population is passing on its knowledge the rainmakers of the outback at this time on a. This is a really fabulous news for one of the best ive ever worked in there is a unique sense of bonding where everybody teams in thats something i feel every time i get on the chair every time i interview someone. Often working around the clock to make sure that we bring events as i currently as possible to the viewer thats what people expect of us and thats what i think we really do well. This is aljazeera