Trial on the trail. Donald trump lashes out after a third indictment. Those indictments arent worth the paper theyre written on. How will he defend himself and will he go to trial before the election . Trumps attorney john lauro joins me in moments. Too honest. A central figure in the new case, the former Vice President ramps up his criticism of his old boss. The president ultimately continued to demand they choose him over the constitution. What does he make of the case . Gop president ial candidate mike pence is next. Plus, on message. With just over two weeks until the gop debate, other candidates struggle to break through. Mr. President on. Is there a new opportunity to edge out the frontrunner . Gop president ial candidate Chris Christie joins me ahead. Hello, im dana bash in washington where the state of our union is watching Court Filings pile up. Donald trump is kicking off a new week juggling an ever more crowded legal calendar after his third indictment over alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 election. As usual, the former president is lashing out at the legal system and those he perceives to be his enemies. Last night he called Special Counsel jack smith, quote, mentally ill and quote, deranged, and a Trump Campaign adviser told the president the president has no plans to change his rhetoric, even as in Federal Court trump worked to respond to the filing by the Justice Department which took issue to a new, threatening social media post by trump. Here with me now is trump attorney john lauro. Thank you so much for joining me this morning, mr. Lauro. This weekend, the judge rejected your request for three more days to consider the Special Counsels proposed rules for how to handle evidence. The proposed protective order that would let trump use some sensitive information, but not take that information with him. Will you agree to that . You know, first of all, this protective order thats being suggested by the Biden Administration is an effort to keep from the press important nonsensitive information that the Biden Administration has that this isnt by the Biden Administration. This is by the independent counsel. No, here for this the independent counsel, its Special Counsel has to get the approval of Merrick Garland in order to go forward. Joe biden said in November 2022 that he wanted to see President Trump prosecuted and taken out of this race. Theres no im just going to stop you because theres no evidence joe biden is not involved in this and youre right its a Special Counsel. Lets just stick to the question. Do you believe that this is something hell agree to . The point is that we will not agree to keeping information thats not sensitive from the press. The press and the american in a Campaign Season have a right to know what the evidence is in this case provided that this evidence is not protected otherwise. So we are going to oppose it as we have, but for whatever reason the these lawyers on the Prosecution Team want to keep that from the press. Wont the evidence come out in trial anyway . That the press some of it will, not all of it. Im shocked that the press isnt lined up objecting to this protective order because not only is President Trump being attacked for his First Amendment rights and now these prosecutors are trying to impinge on the Freedom Of The Press. Im sure you tried to stick up i appreciate trying to stick up for us, but lets talk about the im telling you whats going on right now. Lets talk about the substance of what they were trying to do in the filing which is try to make the point not only that they want to keep the discovery information, what the witnesses said for the time being, quiet, but also he made pretty clear, the Special Counsel, that the idea that the former president is calling him deranged and mentally ill is something that maybe shouldnt be happening. So let me ask you as his attorney in this criminal case, do you want your client to stop speaking publicly like this . Using terms like that. This case was brought by the Biden Administration in the middle of a political campaign, and with the realization that people are out there campaigning for office. Im not involved in the campaign. Im involved in representing totally understand, youre not his campaign manager. You are his lawyer. As his lawyer would you want a client to stay things like this about this Special Counsel . One thing that one thing that we are going to do is fight this very, very unusual, outside of the bounds criminal prosecution, a First Amendment rights vigorously in court. My focus is on addressing the issues. One of the issues that the Biden Administration would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt is that donald trump had corrupt intent, had criminal intent when he protested the results of the 2020 elections. Thats core freedom of speech. Thats core speech. Lets talk about speech. Its under our constitution. You talked about freedom of speech a lot. I want you to listen to what Donald Trumps own former Attorney General said about that argument. I really dont think thats a valid argument. He can say whatever he wants and he can even lie and he can even tell people that the the election was stolen when he knew better. Free speech doesnt give you the right to engage in a fraudulent conspiracy. Your response . Well, first of all, was there no fraudulent conspiracy. Thats part of the reality of the defense. What President Trump was entitled to do and what mr. Barr misses and im not sure hes read all of the cases, but when it comes to political speech you cannot only advocate for a position, about you can take action, you can petition and ask your Vice President to pause the vote for a time you cant it ales that he caused akds like the proving fake okay. What was it ill tell you what the indictment ill tell you what the indictment says. The indictment says that he,a tempted to cause actions like approving fake electors, Opening Sham Fraud Investigations and obstructing the certification of the election. Whether he can prove that, thats going to happen in the trial, and im just saying whats in the indictment. Right. Let me take the first thing, the question about electors, okay . Alternate electors are used in every fouryear cycles, okay . The Senate Parliamentarian acknowledged to Vice President pence that they certified alternate electors and none of those electors were cowned. Vice president pence was completely aware of the nature of the they werent counted because mike pence rejected this scheme. Thats why they werent counted. Absolutely. Of course and thats how the political process works. No, it doesnt. There was no trickery. There was no deceit, because if mike pence had said yes then thats exactly what would have happened. No because and thats only one i dont want to Freedom Of The Press i dont want to go down. Let me finish, though, no, but you asked me a question and i hope you can let me finish. Go ahead. The government alleges deceit or trickery and all of this played out in the open. Its all free speech. There was a Supreme Court decision, hammerschmidt when is right on points youre not infringing on the government and thats what unfortunately, most people dont understand and thats just one of the examples of the actions and the indictment. Youre entitled and this is a long list that you compiled from the indictment. I mean, there are its more than a dozen, not speech, actions that the former president alleges took. Like what . Where do i each start . Tell me. What actions. The arizona speak tore interfere with ascertaining asking. Asking is speech. But any alleged asking is speech its not action. Any action almost all alleged Criminal Activity has to do with using words in his speech and listen this is obviously the defense that you will use and it will be fas fating to see how it works in a court of law. I want to move on to another issue. No, let me tell you, though. You make an interesting point because youre saying that asking is action. No, asking is aspirational. Asking is not action. Its core free speech. The press should be defending free speech in this case because free speech is the most protected speech. The former president ultimately asked has Vice President only for a pause in the electoral count. Right. But that was one of the things ultimately, the final ask right. The final ask in the Ellipse Speech was that. Which was President Trump was following the advice of his lawyer. The word ultimately, ive heard you use many times. The word ultimately is doing a lot of work in that sentence. I know youre intentionally using the word ultimately because that point at that point because its the truth. Youre right. It is the truth because at that point he was asking for a pause and its only because its only because for many, many, many other asks before that what the former president was asking muk pence to do was to completely stop stop it and reject it and that is the point that mike pence is making. It got to the point where he said pause because mike pence said im not going to reject it. Can i respond . Sure. Okay. Okay. So what we have and many people dont understand this, is a memo from john eastman, an esteemed constitutional scholar laying out a number of scenarios. Those scenarios were presented to Vice President pence. He considered them and as a constitutional matter, he rejected them. One of the last and the ultimate requests that President Trump made was to pause the voting for ten days to allow the states to recertify or certify or audit and mr. Pence rejected that, as well. After that, was there a peaceful transition of power. So thats how the constitution works. What happened on january 6th was not peaceful. I want to ask you something about john eastman. Well, wait a minute. The respected constitutional attorney. The transfer of power was certainly peaceful. Did you see what happened on january 6th . Did that look peaceful to you . Did you im not saying that that was in any way appropriate, but the ultimate power of the presidency was peaceful. We all know that as you do. John eastman said according to this indictment that he actually even when he was talking to the Vice President s counsel that he thought that his plan to reject the slate of electors would be rejected by the Supreme Court. 90. He thought he was right, and by the way, that proposal was not the ultimate one presented to Vice President pence, but what happens in the course of a constitutional discussion like this is all legal theories are discussed and analyzed and once again, what President Trump was doing is within the reality and the realm of free speech. Hes asking his Vice President what about taking this course of action. Ultimately, his Vice President rejected all of the things that were made. You have to let me finish. No, no, no. One quick response. What what President Trump did not do is direct Vice President pence to do anything. He asked him in an aspirational way, asking is covered by the First Amendment. And said some pretty intense stuff online that caused people to think that they needed to build gallows outside of the capitol, but we can talk about that another time. Would you be open to having cameras in the courtroom. Thats not part of the criminal case. Just to be clear. It is your youre right about that. You can say that politically, but its not in the case. Would you be open to having cameras in the courtroom during this trial . I personally want the public to see whats going on in this country right now. I want the public to see what kind of prosecution is going on. So yes . And i want the public to see the evidence. If you ask me what my personal opinion is, the answer is absolutely id like to see that. What im concerned about is the government has already signalled that they dont want the press and the American People to see the evidence in this case because they filed an Emergency Protective Order to prevent that from happening. Thank you so much, john lauro. I appreciate your time this morning. Great to see you. Absolutely. Hes a central figure in the new Trump Indictment. Ill ask former Vice President mike pence about the case again of the his former boss and now opponent for the gop nomination. Plus, the gift Chris Christie brought all the way to ukraine for president zelenskyy. Chris christie is just back and joins us exclusively coming up. D so you can improve your business however you see fit. Rosie used part of her refund to build an outdoor patio. Clink dr. Marshall used part of his refund to give his practice a facelift. Emily used part of her refund to buy. I run a wax museum. Let Innovation Refunds help you get started on your erc tax refund. Stop waiting. 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Welcome back to state of the union, as donald trump lashes out on the Campaign Trail over his third indictment, none of his competitors are as well versed in the substance of the allegation as his Vice President setting up a clash between the former runningmates. Joining me now is former Vice President and gop president ial candidate mike pence. Thank you so much for joining me, sir. Just a few days ago the former president had this to say about you. He said, quote, i feel badly for mike pence who is attracting no crowds, enthusiasm or loyalty from people who, as a member of the trump administration, should be loving him. The vp had power that mike didnt understand. So you hear there he is still claiming to this day that you had the power to reject electoral votes, and his lawyers are suggesting reasonable people can disagree on whether you had that authority. Dana, President Trump was wrong and hes wrong now. I had no right to overturn the election. Very clear that under the constitution of the United States, article two, my responsibility as Vice President , as president of the senate was to preside over a Joint Session Of Congress where the constitution says the constitutional votes shall be open and shall be counted, and i really do believe that people all across this country are coming to realize that more every day, although as ive told you before, dana, over the last two years ive been deeply humbled with how Many Americans have come up to me and expressed their appreciation. I truly do believe that we kept our oath to the constitution that day, but the American People deserve to know President Trump asked me to put my oath over the constitution, but i kept my oath, and i always will. Im running in president in part because i think anyone who puts himself over the constitution should never be president of the United States. I mean, Our Con Stugs is more important than any one man. Our country is more important than any one mans career, and im running for office because when people look at my record i hope they understand that weve kept faith not just for the constitution, but with the broad conservative agenda thats always carried our party to victory and frankly, also carried america to unbounded security and prosperity. Im sure you heard the former president s lawyers saying that he, quote, ultimately asked only that you pause in counting the electoral ballots. I just want to be clear. Did the former president ask you to pause or did he at any point ask you to overturn the election and keep him as president . . Well, you can you can look at the tweets and public staples the president made all of the way up to the night before and the morning of. What the president was convinced it seemed to me in december was that i had some right on to reject or return votes although no Vice President in history should have asserted that right to choose the american president. It belongs to the American People and the American People alone and in the days before the president was talking about us rejecting votes and then late in the process his lawyers suggested that we return voteses to the states and frankly, the day before january 6th, if memory serves they came back, his lawyers said we want you to reject votes outright. They were asking me to overturn the election. I had no right to overturn the election. I know we did our duty that day, and i could arent be more encouraged whether we are in New Hampshire or iowa or all across the country and how many people come up to me and express their appreciation for the stand that we took. You know, i hear you talking about this and i know youve also said that you wish that there were no criminal charges that had to be filed as what happened this past week, but do you ever wonder what would have happened if you had come to ward wit forward with the specifics that you were just talking about that you got from the then president , from his attorneys, and talked about that in the days after january 6th . Because now hes really solidified his grip on your party and helped lead the partys view of his unconstitutional actions. A vast majority of Republican Voters actually won in 2020. Do you wish what youre saying today sooner . I dont know, dana. Ive been saying this for two years. After leaving the white house, moving home to indiana, i think it was on the 100th day of the Biden Administration they spoke about this issue in an event right here in New Hampshire, and as you know, ive written countless interviews, but look, i i understand that, you know, the news events of this week have caused renewed focus this issue and in some respects i welcome it not because i welcomed the indictment and id hoped it hadnt come to this and id hope the questions about the president s conduct on january 6th had been left to the judgment of the republican primary voters and the American People. Now that has come, ive had people coming up since that day and in some respects saying they didnt know what we went through and about the stand that we took. Im very humbled by that. Do you think if you would have said so publicly you would have been able to influence your fellow republicans in the senate . If he was convict in the Impeachment Trial he wouldnt be able to run for president. Well, i mean, come on. Come on, dana. We lived through the russia hoax, the president being impeached for a phone call. The day after january 6th nancy pelosi tried to distort the 25th Amendment to get us to remove the president and to go through a process of impeaching the president of the United States after he left office is just one more, fort by The Democrats, but look, i want to tell you, i trust myself to the judgment of the American People and to the judgment of history. I really do believe people see you the agenda and the partisan committee on capitol hill that i refuse to anything to do where spoke spoke for itself. At the end of the day as i travel around New Hampshire or anywhere around the is for people to know that i dent kept every single day. Foot indictment said that the president told you you were too honest after you said you didnt have the authority to reject electors. Did donald trump ever acknowledge to you that he lost the election . I dont recall that he ever did, but you know, with r guard for being called too honest, dana, ive been called worse. Frankly today with people here in New Hampshire ive had a lot of people coming up to me expressing their appreciation for it. I want people to know im going to be honest with them as a ca candidate and ill be honest as president whether were talking about fiscal responsibility and reform and ill be honest with them about the dangerous world we live in. I will be honest with them about what it will take to secure our border and Lower Energy Costs and stand by our values and liberties. Would you be willing to testify im more than happy to wear that label. Honestly, to your i dont recall the president ever telling me that. I and i dont know what was in his heart. I dont know what his intentions were, but i do know what he and his lawyers asked me to do and its what no Vice President in American History had ever done before and frankly, no Vice President or any one person in washington should ever do again. The presidency belongs to the American People and the American People alone and our founders would have never Vested Authority in one person to overturn an election, and i stood on that principle. Would you be willing to testify at the president s trial at the Special Counsel called you to do so . Well, you know, i testified before the grand jury under a subpoena, after we got clarification from the court about protects that i have as the president of the senate. I have no plans to testify and well always comply with the law, but i will tell you. I dont know what that palette path will be, hes, they actually profound with this and protectioning the freedom of speech and the rest. What i want the American People to know is that President Trump was wrong then and hes wrong now that i had no right to overturn the election and i had no right to return votes and by gods grace i did my duty under the constitution of the United States and i always will. You have said before and said again just a few minutes ago that anyone who puts himself over the constitution should never be president. If he is the nominee, could you support him . Dana, you know, you guys like to talk about the polls on cnn a lot and everybody does. Its awful early here. Were still six months away from iowa and then right after that New Hampshire, and i have it tell you, i really do believe that theres theres a lot of republicans, that they need new leadership in the white house and we need new leadership in the republican party. We cant endure four more years about the effective leadership of president yen and The Democrats in the senate. Weve got to turn this thing around the stand that we took that day and even the minority of republicans that have had a different vow of what i did that day have been coming up to me and showed appreciation for which im humbled, but i have to tell you, everywhere i go people are telling me thank you for talking about the issues were dealing with and not what the media is talking about any given day of the week. You can say right here that you will rule out voting for donald trump again for president . Dana, i will tell you i dont think well have to make that decision. What if you do . Im confident ill be able to support the republican nominee, specially if its me, and im confident as theyve done so many times before. Republican primary voters are going to choose new leadership for a new time in the life of our nation. We simply have got to move our country forward. Weve got to put joe biden into retirement, weve got to win back the senate, keep the house and get this country turned around and im confident rerep primary voters willive give us a new nominee that will do just that. I know youre close to unveiling a new policy and tens of millions of americans are constantly under Heat Warnings and you are making the air unsafe to breathe and after this, its expected to get worse due to the Climate Crisis and do you think it is the reason behind all of this . Its clear from scientists over the last hundred years that the climbate is change. We got out of the Paris Climate Accord and nobody really noticed we actually exceeded the goals in the Paris Climate Accord in reducing co2, but we did it through american innovation. We did it through unleashing American Energy and the energy plan well unveil this week will be an all of the above energy strategy. Joe biden declared war on energy in his first day in office shutting down the keystone and dakota pipelines. Gasoline prices are jumping up again this week. We had 2 a gallon gas under our administration and we achieved Energy Independence and we can do it again, and in my Campaign Going forward, just like last week, when we unveiled the flan plan and this coming week we will lay out a plan to restore Energy Independence, and i believe through innovation, through diversification and energy, we can practice conservation on our land. We had the cleanest air, water and land in the history of the country during our administration. We can meet the goals in our environment without crippling the american economy. And im sure you remember our very first sentence in the 2018 report from your Trump Pence Administration saying that the earths climate is changing faster than at any point in history and they went primarily on because of the result of Human Activities and i look forward to seeing your report this week. Well see you on the debate stage and it sounds like youre closer to getting those 40,000 unique donors . Were getting closer every day. People are going to mike pe pencefor 2020. Com and contributing a dollar to make sure the most experienced and the most conservative in this race is on the stage. Im confident were going to be there and im looking forward to it. Former Vice President mike pence, thank you so much for joining me. Appreciate it. Thank you, dana. Chris christie just got back from a surprise trip to ukraine. We will talk to him about that and get his first comments on the new Trump Indictment when he joins me exclusively next. He does. Were having triplets. 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Obviously, a federal grand jury in the district of columbia disagrees and they returned an indictment and what we see from donald trump is what we always see from donald trump. Insulting anybody who raises any questions about his conduct on january 6th. When he invited people to come to washington and told him it was going to be wild and then spoke before them, told them the election had been stolen which was a lie, that he had continued from Election Night forward, then he told them that mike pence could overturn the election, only mike pence could do it and that if he didnt do it he would be a major disappointment and asked him that to march up to capitol hill to stop what was going on up there and said he would march with them, but as i told you, dana, i knew that if donald trump had a risk of breaking a fingernail hes such a coward and he went back to the safety of the white house and sent those folks up there to do what they did which was to create many of them a violent conduct up on capitol hill to try to stop whats going on in terms of c confirming the election. Its very clearly conduct. There may be parts of it thats speech, too, dana and nothing is absolute, but the fact of the matter is the president wanted what happened to happen and in fact, the way to than is that when it started to happen, he did not run out of the white house and said put me in front of the cameras and let me tell those people and stop being violent up there, we shouldnt do it. No. He sat and ate his Eveoverdone Hamburger in the dining room of the white house and the oval office and watched what was going on. He told speaker mccarthy, maybe those people care more about the stolen election than you do. Does that sound like someone that was concerned about anything other than keeping himself in power . Look, the bigger lie now is that donald trump says hes doing this for us, yet if hugh listen to everything hes had to say hes talked about what joe bidens inflation has done to people. Is he talking about what the Energy Crisis has done to the price of gasoline in terms of the fight for energy . Is he talking about the crime in the streets, dana, and how thats affecting citizens of every one of the major cities . No. Hes just talking about himself. I want voters to know that this is a preview, hell be talking about donald trump rather than joe biden and what we should be focused on is talking about joe biden and his record and thats why he cannot be the no amminee want to move on to ukraine, but do you think in washington, d. C. , a place that joe biden won by almost 90 Percentage Points in 2020 donald trump can get a fair trial . Dana, unlike anybody in this race i actually did this as u. S. Attorney in the fifth largest country in new jersey this is a very blue state, and i can tell you, i watched as jurors put aside any of their partisanship or politics and listened to the evidence and returned in my state fair and just verdicts. 130 of them in political Corruption Cases that we did without a defeat and never was one of them overturned on appeal during my serve years. So yes. So my view is yeah. I believe jurors can be fair. I believe in the American People, and i believe in the fact that jurors will listen fairly and impartially, and for people who say they wont, dana, those are people who believe only in themselves like donald trump and not the American People. Lets talk about your trip to ukraine. You are the second republican candidate to visit. You met with president zelenskyy in kyiv. You paid your respects to civilians killed in bucha and you said you would come back and tell everyone what you saw. What do you want the American People and people around the world to know . I want them to know about the atrocities that were being and are being committed against the free ukrainian people by the Russian Military. I went to the town of bucha where i went to a shallow grave of 160 civilians who were executed by the russian army, but before they were executed, dana, for many of them their eyes were gouged out. Their ears were cut off and their hands were tied behind their back and they were shot in the back of the head by russian soldiers, civilians, not soldiers. Civilians, and then russian soldiers went in and raped the mothers and the daughters that were in the house after the men of the house had been killed. I went to the Childrens Center for civil rights in ukraine and there they told us that over 19,000 children had been abducted, kidnapped by the Russian Military and brought back to russia so that they could be programmed to work for the russian federation. Dana, i met some of those mothers whose children were ripped away from them by russian soldiers. They dont know how they are, where they are. This is not a territorial dispute, dana. This is an absolute authoritarian attempt by Vladimir Vladimir putin to overtake the free country of the neighbor and its obscene whats going on there and america is right to supply, and i spoke with president zelenskyy for an hour. He never once asked to have american troops, american men or women there and all he wants is the ability to fight the war on an even basis. Ill give you one quick example, artillery, the russians are outgunning them on a daily basis 11 to 1 on artillery. The Ukrainian Army is incredibly brave and theyre fighting for a unified, free europe that weve maintained for 80 years since the end of world war ii and im proud to have been there with president zelenskyy and the stand with the ukrainian people who were being abused by russian mercenaries. You also brought the ukrainian president something that maybe could give him hope or at least a chuckle. Your old friend John Bon Jovi shared a video of a band in ukraine playing its my life as people in odesa built sandbags to defend their city. You called bon jovi before you went and quickly, what happened next . Jon wrote out the lyrics to the song its my life which is an Ins Prpiration to the citize of odesa. He wrote it out in his own hand and got it framed and brought it to president zelenskyy and told him this is representative of many of the American People who support ukrainian people against russian barbarism, and we got a good laugh over it about two guys from new jersey trying to be supportive of whats happening over in ukraine, for the ukrainian people and so i was happy to do that, and to be able to show him that. There are lots of folks over here. In fact, hundreds of millions of americans who believe that the ukrainian cause is just, and lets remember this, dana. Donald trump said that the person perpetrating these atrocities, torture, murder and the kidnap of innocent children is brilliant and an excellent leader. Thats the kind of thing that donald trump will bring back to the presidency is that type of attitude toward someone like Vladimir Putin. I think the American People need to wonder whether Vladimir Putin is the role model we want for leadership around the world. As a jersey girl, i have a special appreciation for the new jersey for the former new jersey governor bringing Jon Bon Jovis lyrics over to ukraine. Thank you so much for your time this morning. I appreciate it. Dana, thanks for having me on i hope everyone has a great sunday. Republican candidates are starting to band together against one particular democrat and im not talking about President Biden. President biden. Well talk to my panel next. please dont go please dont go please dont go please dont go dont gooo dont go away preorder now and get a free storage upgrade. please dont go for your most brilliant smile, crest has you covered. laughing nice smile, brad. Nice thanks . Crest 3d white. 100 more stain removal. Crest. Todays the day you graduate from southern New Hampshire university. Ive been waiting for this day my whole life. The fact that i get to walk across the stage and get my degree, its honestly unreal. Dont ever stop. Keep on believing in yourself. 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We know the reason, the main reason that they are doing that is because theyre trying to make the point that your former boss who you worked for for a long time, kate bedingfield, is old and shes likely to be president. President biden thinks age is a reasonable thing for people to ask about and he says all of the time, they can watch me. They can look at his record and they can address the age issue where the republicans are making a huge mistake here in the way that the Biden Campaign thinks about this and what theyre doing is theyre putting the president front and center in the Court Arguments that are critical to the campaign. This is the soul of the nation argument and you see run desantis coming to Kamala Harris that slavery had beneficial impacts. That is at the core of who we are and joe biden is one of the key pieces of this election thats forthcoming. So putting the Vice President at the center of that where she can make a really passionate, forceful argument, that is a good thing for the Biden Campaign and for the biden white house. Do you agree . Understand why republicans are doing it. The Vice President has lagged President Biden in terms of her polling and favorability and they do want to highlight the issue with age which is a legitimate conversation to be had. What i would be doing if i was a republican in the primary is talking about the fact that donald trump is 77 years old. Hes no Spring Chicken and if yo want an octogenarian running our country we have to be honest on both sides. We have to be honest about the origin of this. I mean, yes, the president is old and Kamala Harris is the Heir Apparent if he were to step aside. The Vice President was given an impressive portfolio to deal with the border crisis and election reform. She failed on both counts. She has not done her job as Vice President. Her negative rating is at 49 . Shes not a popular Vice President , so instead of her talking about her failures, shes attacking republicans and that is what shes doing and theyre simply responding, so this is not as much republicans going after her as shes appointed herself and democrats have appointed her the attack dog and shes being hit back. Ill just say i think that this is happening for a couple of reasons. Most people dont know what Vice President s do and now she is a history maker. She is a woman. She is a black woman, and its the easy thing to do to say shes the attack dog. Go after her. She was not put in charge of the border. She was put in charge of the root causes in going down to central and south america to discuss what is happening, and numbers have shown the border everyone admits our Immigration Policies are in crisis. Its not because of Kamala Harris. Its because we have not been able to find bipartisan reform. We all know the election and the Voting Systems are broke. We have a president who wont a former president who wont even acknowledge the elections and thats not because of Kamala Harris. My final point will be is shes taking it outside of washington d. C. , and shes done with the pundits and shes talking about the issues that women care about abortion. Im not going to debate Ron Desant Ois slavery, there is no debate there and i appreciate it and you will see her numbers start to increase and people will be accepting her of the job. Where i think the Biden Administration risks losing Swing Vote Sers putting Kamala Harris front and center. Joe biden is standing between us losing the country and having donald trump. If the next Heir Apparent for an 80yearold president is someone who is deeply unpopular who herself could not at this time leave her as president and that leaves people more afraid to actually support the ticket and its borne out in the New York Times sienna poll that has trump beating head to head. If you look at the 2022 midterms and you look at there was a lot of runup to 2022 and there was anxiety among the pundit class and amongst the reporters, that biden and harris werent focusing enough on the economy and it was a mistake to talk about democracy and across the course of the across the course of the Likz Telection Th not borne out to be true and democrats have won statewide in all seven states that put Biden Over The Top in 2020. In real time as weve seen people go to the polls post a biden election and putting Kamala Harris front and center letting her make this dynamic argument is smart. Theyre maximizing the appeal to different voters and we know that independent voters and the very small slice of people who were left in the country who are truly undecided and independent and theyre put off by the divisive cultural war. Wouldnt it make sense that theyre going after the people that theyre trying to beat which is other republicans. On that, we agree. What will they do to go after Kamala Harris. It is Feeding Red Meat to their base is we dont want this other person running the country. Its no surprise that weve never had a woman running the country and its cheap and calculated and i dont think it will work in the long run. Republicans are out there in iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina talking about issues that people are concerned with and not obsessed with what the Vice President wants to talk about for the day. They are out there talking about the bidenharris policies that are not working for the American People as much as the president and the Vice President want to say bidenomics is working great. The American People do not feel that. 66 of democrat voters say they are worse off economically and we see prices on rise, gas prices on the rise and Interest Rates high and people are having trouble getting homes and cars and thats what republicans are talking about. Except not necessarily headlines. And donald trump not so much. Hes talking about himself so on that note, so i want to talk about a bit of reporting for the Washington Post about a meeting tween joe biden anback obama in the white house recent in the summer. It says former president barack obama had a private lunch with President Biden earlier this Summer Andoiced concerns about Donald Trumps political strengths and loyal following, a trumpfriendly ecosystem and a polarized country underlying worry that he could be more formidable than Many Democrats realize. You probably agree with that. Very much so. Nobody should take for granted that donald trump very well could be president again and i think that joe biden should be running with the assumption that hes running against donald trump. We are also still a republican nominating process, and i am stunneded by how few candidates in the race who have their own records to run on are tant taking it against donald trump in a primary. So i would say it whether its my old boss mike pence, nikki haley, tim scott. The clock is running out and the time to beat donald trump is running out. Is joe biden taking trump seriously enough . It looks like his old boss says no. No question. 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