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We begin this hour with an historic Hurricane Barreling toward the u. S. Hilary is now a category 3 hurricane with top winds of more than 100 miles per hour. This is new video of the storm pummeling mexico as it inches closer to the u. S. The powerful system could bring a years worth of rain in one day to parts of the southwest along with potentially catastrophic and lifethreatening flooding. Right now parts of Southern California are under a Tropical Storm warning for the first time in history. Officials and residents there are preparing with sandbags and the California National guard is standing by ready to help. A State Emergency Official tells cnn its an all hands on deck situation. Weve got a cnn team at this hour tracking hilary. Meteorologist derek van dam is closely following the path Aina Tasha Chen has a look at storm preps in los angeles. Derek, lets start with you at the cnn weather center. I cant believe were talking about a hurricane and preparations for it in los angeles but were talking about a very unusual hurricane here. What can you tell us about hilary, when can we expect to see it hit the u. S. . Look, jim, i think what people need to recognize is that this storm is picking up forward speed very quickly. If you kind of tune in intermittently over the past 24 hours you may have thought, hey, this is more of a sunday night into monday time frame. The fact is that the storm sped up and this is going to be a sunday storm for Southern California and much of the southwestern u. S. As well. Very important for people to understand that we are already seeing the impacts across the interior of Southern California. 115mileperhour winds with the storm and radar coming out of Southern California and generally dry into the coastal areas but look whats happening across the Mountain Ranges and into central portions of Southern California. This is San Bernardino county. There are mandatory evacuations for some of these locations. San bernardino mountains are working as this almost like a wall so you take, lets say, a soaked kind of a setup here and this is basically just pushing all of that astralable moisture against the Mountain Ranges and bringing out all the rainfall so, listen, 27 Million People under the threat of flooding today specifically across the Desert Southwest and these areas dont see this amount of rain in such a short period of time. This is the forecast track from the National Hurricane center. Sunday evening, look at that. A Tropical Storm in Southern California. You dont see that that often. Heres a look at that surge of moisture. The main threats here certainly are going to be the Flash Flooding and mudslide potential across the Desert Southwest and then the moisture moves inland so places from vegas To Reno All The Way northward into idaho, were going to look for the flood threat as well, Focusing In On Sunday into monday morning, a level 4 of 4 of Flash Flooding from this weather prediction center, a rare thing to see especially across the southwest. Some areas have never experienced this level of heightened flood threat. Jim. All right, derek van dam, a lot to keep an eye on. We know youll stay on top of it. Thank you very much. If hilary hits Southern California as a Tropical Storm, it will be the first time that has happened in more than 80 years. The sheriff in San Bernardino county issued an Evacuation Warning for several communities. Officials are preparing for lifeth lifethreatening conditions and urging millions of residents to heed their warnings. Make no mistake, this is a very, very dangerous and significant storm. Cnns natasha chen in los angeles for us. I cant believe were talking about this. And talking about l. A. I mean, its just so strange to think about this and i hope because it is so bizarre and unusual and historic that people are going to take this seriously, these officials just wrapped up this news conference. What are they saying . Reporter yeah, jim, i thought that when i moved from our Southeast Bureau to our l. A. Bureau i would stop talking about Tropical Storms but here we are and that is sort of the attitude were hearing from officials, as well. These folks in Southern California have not seen a Tropical Storm warning before, so a lot of people have questions about what exactly they should be doing to prepare. So thats what they were trying to hammer home. The sandbags, the staying at home unless you really have to be out. Be heeding road warnings, not driving out into the storm and driving past barricades. Theyre also talking to people about, you know, charging up all their devices, making sure they have a plan because there will be Power Outages checking on elderly neighbors. A lot of plans have already been changed. We are seeing Baseball Games that were supposed to be played tomorrow, three different teams, home games have been moved to today so theyre doing doubleheaders today. The Hollywood Bowl has announced that their show tomorrow is canceled so a lot of plans are shifting here, especially as people are watching that radar and that track shift as well, which derek just explained. The department of Water Resources in california talked about how the Flood Operations state and federal are all working together and people may see dam operations, the Spillways Open Up and release water tomorrow. That is part of normal procedure. Heres the director talking about how unique the situation is. We did have a decaying Tropical Storm kay last september that caused extensive damage particularly in Santa Barbara county. This storm, Hurricane Hilary, is anticipated to be stronger than that. You would have to go back to 1939 since Southern California last saw a true Tropical Storm affect populations that dropped almost 8 inches of rain on mount baldy in los angeles county. Reporter now, we did have a very wet winter here in california. So some of the folks who are in floodprone areas should expect to see some of that happening here again, so some. The preparations that this region is used to for wildfires, earthquake, flood, mudslides that applies here, but the officials did say in this situation what theyre not used to is you can actually see where this thing is going, so people can track the radar as opposed to an earthquake or a wildfire where sometimes the direction or the timing is unknown. So what the officials are hammering home is theres no reason not to get prepared right now, jim. And natasha, talking to folks around town, are they taking it seriously . I think that some folks are taking it seriously asking questions about whether they should still hold events or go out and do the things they had planned on sunday. There is a lot of nervousness because they have not seen this type of event locally before, and then others perhaps i just wonder whether this is going to be heavy rain and so well have to see how everyone reacts tomorrow. All right, well hopefully people will heed the warnings. Cant be chill about this. I know its Southern California but please stay safe and listen to what the officials have to say. Natasha, thank you. Just a few moments ago, the hurricane is prompting the San Bernardino county Sheriffs Department to issue an Evacuation Warning for the following communities. Take a listen to this. The affected communities are oak glen, forest falls, Mountain Home village, angeles oaks, i hope i pronounced that correctly, northeast yuccapa. Not totally familiar with those particular parts of Southern California in that county so if i mispronounced that please forgive me. Pay attention to the warnings. The San Bernardino county Sheriffs Department issuing Evacuation Warnings for several communities and check that countys website, Instagram Page for further information. In the meantime, turning to the president ial race four days until the candidates take the stage for the first primary debate in order to qualify, candidates must have 40,000 donors with at least 200 different ones in 20 states and polling at 1 in National Polls that meet rnc requirements. Heres a breakdown of the gop field, eight candidates have qualified, though frontrunner donald trump, the former president is expected to skip the debate. As you can see in the lower left of your screen our next guest met the polling tlhreshthreshol. Governor, you now have roughly 53 hours, i think i have that right, to meet the donor requirement. Are we going to see you on that debate stage on wednesday . Jim, absolutely, youre going to see me on that debate stage. You have to have 40,000 unique donors. Were up to 38,000 so were almost there, and thousands have come in the last couple of days to asa2024. Com and given us a dollar. People here at the Iowa State Fair have helped out so well be there excited about telling the truth about donald trump, but also talking about the future of our country. I do want to get to that. If youre not able to qualify for the debate, what do you do at that point . Do you reassess whether the campaign should continue . Does that, you know, impair your campaign in any way . Well, again, im going to be there. Obviously if someone doesnt make the debate stage theyve got to evaluate where they are and where their campaign can go. But this is critically important. This debate stage, because iowans, folks in New Hampshire are all looking there, the first time to compare the candidates, so its critical to be there and its going to be a very good discussion, even if donald trump is not there because were going to have to give our views of january 6th and our views of Donald Trumps leadership. So i think my voice is critically important and i will be there. And youve spoken out against the rnc requirement to support the eventual nominee and talked about it on this program. Are you going to sign that Loyalty Pledge maybe catch me up to speed here, maybe you already have. What is the latest on that . Well, theyre not submitting to us until we meet the 40,000 threshold, but, yes, my intention is to sign that so i can be on the debate stage and my view is that ill support the nominee of the party. I dont believe that nominee is going to be donald trump. And it appears trump as you said is not going to take part in the debate. What is your take on that . Why is he skipping the debris in your view . Well, at first i would think that he made the decision he cant effectively campaign and deal with his four criminal cases at the same time, but it sounds like hes got a counterproducing event going on so looks to me like hes just saying im more important than the debrate. I think its a mistake on his part and whether hes there or not, the candidates are going to have to state their positions on what hes done, how we distinguish ourselves so he will be there in abstonentia. As you know, authorities in Fulton County, georgia, where that fourth indictment was filed, they have suggested that the former president may have to submit himself to fingerprinting and potentially a mug shot later next week. Were hearing that could occur on thursday or friday of next week. What is that going to say to the world if we see the former president getting a mug shot . Well, i dont think its preferred. I dont think its necessary. Whenever you look at the way the Special Counsel handles that, theyve avoided that. Its unnecessary. I know theyre trying to treat everybody the same and the mug shots are not a fun thing to go through, so id prefer not, but thats up to the sheriff and the local prosecutor there. Isnt that kind of letting him off the hook, though, if the other people who are indicted in that casesurrender themselves and they have to get mug shots but donald trump doesnt . Sure, it does. Sure, its a separate in the same way that nobody else goes into court with Secret Service around them, weve never been through anything like this and he needs to understand the impact that his decisions, which led to these indictments, are going to have on our body politic, on the election coming up, on the debate and on the discussion of the issues. I talk to people in iowa. Theyre asking me about inflation. Theyre asking about what im going to do on Border Security and fentanyl, and thats what weve got 230 to focus on and what hes doing is a great distraction from the serious issues in our country. I suspect the issue of ukraine is going to come up during this debate and this past week i spoke with one of our opponents, Vivek Ramaswamy who is rising in the polls and asked him about his position that he would allow russian president Vladimir Putin to keep parts of ukraine that have been captured thus far. Lets listen to that and get your reaction on the other side. I would freeze the current lines of control and that would leave parts of the donbas region with russia. I would also further make a commitment nato will not admit ukraine to nato but there are even greater wins that i will that sounds like a win for putin. The top of the list well, our goal should not be for putin to lose. Our goal should be for america to win. Governor, what do you think of that . Should it be the policy of the u. S. For putin to lose or what . Well, first of all, viveks policies he articulates allows putin to win. He allows russia to win, and, no, thats not in the National Interest of the United States of america. That shows weakness. That rewards russia for doing the invasion. They get what they want and keeps ukraine out of nato but also gives them territory. Its just flat wrong. This obviously will be discussed in the debate. Donald trump had some comments on that, as well, but, no, i could not disagree more with what vivek is articulateing. Governor hutchison, thanks very much for your time. Maybe well talk to you on the other side. Appreciate your time. All right, thank you. Good to be with you. Thank you, governor. We appreciate it. A live look at the Fulton County jail in atlanta. There it is right there. Donald trump and his 18 codefendants have until next friday to turn themselves in there. 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Capitol place him squarely within the ambit of the Disqualification Clause and he is therefore ineligible to serve as president ever again and professor Laurence Tribe and Michael Luttig join me to talk about it. Its ang honor to have you both on. Thanks for doing this. Your argument just to explain to our viewers essentially comes down to these two sentences in the constitutions 14th Amendment, no person shall be a senator or representative in congress or elector of president and Vice President who having previously taken an oath as an officer of the United States to support the constitution of the United States shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same or given aid or comfort to the enemies there of. Im proud of myself for getting through all of that without messing up but let me go to both of you on this, gentlemen. How is this going to work, because donald trump is not going to say, you got me. Im disqualified. Judge, ill let you go first then the professor. Jim, thank you for having us on this afternoon. Professor tribe is the most celebrated constitutional mind in america and deservedly so and he has been that for the past four decades. Professor tribe has been studying the constitution and even the Disqualification Clause of the 14th Amendment his entire illustrious career. I first began to think seriously about the 14th Amendments Disqualification Clause only two years ago in january of 2021, but i quickly came to the same conclusion that Professor Tribe had come to many years before that, and then in the two years between january 6th and today, Professor Tribe and i have been discussing the Disqualification Clause and the possible disqualification of the former president privately between ours ourselves. What has brought our article forth is some magnificent scholarship by professors baud and paulson that is forthcoming in a law review from the university of pennsylvania. Theyre monumentally important and the contribution they have made is that they have demonstrated that what might have been is not, which is to say this, section 3 of the 14th Amendment means exactly what it plainly and clearly says, specifically as you just read. Yeah. Any person who previously has taken the oath of office to support and defend the constitution of the United States and who then engages in insurrection or rebellion against the United States and the constitution of the United States shall not thereafter hold in this instance the office of the presidency of the United States. That language in the constitution, jim, simply could not be any clearer. It is unmistakable in its application to the former president. The only thing that was not known until professors baud and paulson did their scholarly work is whether this was the actual meaning under the original understanding of the constitution, and the professors confirmed and demonstrated that, indeed, it was. And so, Professor Tribe, an honor to have you on as well. Does that mean trump essentially is right now automatically disqualified, that he shouldnt be allowed on ballots and so on . Jim, what it means and its a great hong to be on with the Disti Distinguished and justly celebrated judge luttig, what it means is that secretaries of state or other officials who are responsible for deciding who is qualified and who is not will have to determine whether despite his obvious attempt to overturn the 2020 election and engage an insurrection, whether despite that, somehow trump gets to run. Secretaries of state around the country are going to go both ways on that. The red ones may go one way and the blue another, although i would hope that partisan politics wouldnt always determine it but whichever way they go theyll be challenged in court and that will end up in the Supreme Court. And what it will have to decide is what this language means. Its pretty obvious what it says, in fact, when it was written Abraham Lincoln was no longer president. We had a president who didnt believe in the 14th Amendment, andrew jackson. They werent going to rely on him and his Justice Department to decide who should be convicted of insurrection. Thats beside the point. So its important to see what happens in all of these 91 pending charges of crime against the former president , but whatever happens in those cases, this disqualification like the disqualification of someone who was not a natural born citizen or the disqualification of someone who doesnt meet the age limits has got to be enforced according to its terms. For a very long time americans didnt take this seriously. But now the scholars have begun to look at it and as the judge says, ive looked at it for a long time, its impossible to disregard. We have a former president who has probably said that he would terminate the constitution. That was his language. He would terminate it if necessary to hold on to power. How can he say that and take the oath to uphold the constitution . This is going to end up in the Supreme Court. Its a monumental issue, the most important constitutional issue of our day, and people have got to get used to the fact that whatever happens in these very important trials of the president under the constitutions own language, hes simply not eligible to the president again. Now, of course, when you ask is he going to say you got me, the answer is, no, he never says you got me. He wont say that even if hes convicted of all the crimes available, but its not up to him. Wake up, mr. Trump. Its not up to you. It is up to the Supreme Court of the United States reviewing what the secretaries of state determine and they take an oath to uphold the Constitution And The constitution tells them that an insurrectionist who tried to overturn the countrys constitution cannot be entrusted with protecting it in the future. So, stay tuned. This is going to be a saga that lasts between now and the election. No question about it and, judge luttig, several questions arise in listening to both of you. I mean, without a conviction how can we determine if how can it be determined that trumps actions actually meet this standard . He was not convicted in the senate when he was impeached in all of this. What would you say to folks who might say, are you trying to wave the constitutional magic wand here . Jim, what Professor Tribe and i have concluded as did professors baud and paulson is that section 3 is what we call selfexecuting, which means that the qualification automatically arises from the Condition Precedent in this instance in the insurrection or rebellion against the constitution that occurred on january 6th, 2021. The corollary of that is that Congress Need not act to determine whether the former president engage the in an insurrection or a rebellion or aided and comforted such, neither must a court find that fact and neither must a jury of the former president s peers concluded that he engaged in an insurrection, a rebellion, or that he aided and comforted either of those in his actions on january 6th and antecedent to january 6th. Then, and this is whats very important about what weve concluded and wrote, every officer of the United States and every officer of the 50 states who is charged with qualifying candidates for the ballot in 2024 is obligated under the constitution himself or herself as of this moment to determine whether or not donald trump qualifies for the ballot. Now, as Professor Tribe just discussed, whether that election official does or does not qualify the former president for the ballot, that decision will in turn be challenged by any number of people including voters who will have the standing to challenge that decision by the federal or state election officials. Which is to say in the end, jim, that this matter will immediately go into the federal court system and it will have to be decided by the Supreme Court before the 2024 election. Yeah, i mean, i think that seems like a certainty and, Professor Tribe, that leads me to this question, how do you think this will fly with the conservatives on the Supreme Court, because forgive my amateurish take on all of this, one often assumes the conservatives on the court tend to be more originalist in their thinking when it comes to the constitution. They may be tempted, i suppose, to align themselves with the i guess the Thought Process youre laying out today, its in the constitution, it says it very clearly right there. And its original mean something clear, so they have a real problem. They may personally want to see donald trump president again, though i dont know, but whatever they want personally, if theyre going to stick by their guns and interpret the constitution according to its clear meaning and in this case its original meaning, as well, they really are not going to have much choice. But it seems to me that whatever they do, their feet have to be held to the fire. If they decide that this wasnt an insurrection, thats going to be hard to square with the clear meaning of that word in the constitution, if they decide that donald trump was simply, you know, an innocent bystander, that he didnt give aid and comfort to it, thats going to be hard to explain. Whatever they do, it seems to me its important that the nation express its clear view and that we not think that everything depends on whether he is found guilty Beyond A Reasonable Doubt on any. T of the 91 charges against him. Impeachment is different. Criminal prosecution is a different matter and the constitutions designed carefully and structured to make sure regardless of who controls the Justice Department or who serves on juries, that those people who are charged with determining eligibility for the candidacy of the presidency of the United States have to apply the constitution themselves. Secretaries of state may set up their own procedures for making a determination, i expect them to do so, but its not something that we can simply pass off to the criminal Justice System or to the impeachment system. This is a simpler matter. It has to be taken separately and seriously. Very stimulating conversation. A lot to chew on in reading this article. Well chew on it some more this weekend. Really appreciate it. Great honor to have you both on at the same time. Thanks so much. Thank you. Thank you, jim. All right, hope to do it again soon. All right. In the meantime, there is mounting frustration in hawaii. Residents are speaking out about the response to mauis wildfires as the death toll grows and more than 1,000 people are still missing. Well go live to maui next. Youre live in the cnn newsroom. Please dont go please e dont go please dont go please dont go dont goooooo dont go away please dont go my cpa told me i wouldnt qualify for the erc tax refund, so i called innovation refunds. Their team oindependent Tax Attorneys will work with your cpa to determinef your company is eligible. [whip sound] take the first step to see if your Small Business qualifies. You founded your Kayak Company because you love the ocean not spreadsheets. You need to hire. I need indeed. Indeed you do. 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What can you tell us about the Search Efforts and what have you been able to get your arms around in terms of the scope of this problem . Reporter its unlike any disaster ive covered, jim, over many years. This is unlike any search and recovery that a lot of these veterans have seen. Theyre searching house by house and normally if it was a hurricane youd know which room you were searching. Here the entire house is just turned to ash and its as if 3 1 2 square miles of a vibrant community is cremated at the same time, so the enormity of the Forensic Search is just its hard to wrap your head around. Well give you a glimpse of that next hour and hung out with some of the Cadaver Dog Teams but the emotional piece of this, i dont think we can fully comprehend. Were in paradise, one of the most beautiful places in the world filled with some of the most generous, warm, hospitable aloha spirit youd want to meet going through insufferable pain that most of us want comprehend. Ive been to lahaina myself. Its a beautiful, beautiful part of maui, and its depressing whats taken place. What are you hearing about the response from residents . That has been a really big part of this story. It sounds as though a lot of people were let down, and i guess i cant get over the fact that a thousand people might still be missing. Is it possible the death toll is going to get that high . Reporter exactly. That sounds unimaginable. Reporter it does, doesnt it . And the idea that some families might never get confirmation is crushing to think about that. The local response to the official response has been just frustration, and complete confusion over were a short way from the bases in oahu, there could have been Helicopter Sorties flying all week. The initial response was all community led. The leaders in lahaina actually held a Press Conference yesterday to call out the governor and make three demand, they be included in the discussions over how to reopen, that they need time to grieve and how to rebuild, that is vital and that hawaii has a sunshine law when it comes to transparency about these decisions and demanding governor green abide by this and i talked to archie kalepa, leader, surfer, lifeguard and pioneered jet ski rescues on these aisles and i asked him about have you even had contact with the people in charge. Take a listen. We do Need Dialogue for sure we Need Dialogue and i think thats the first step through this process is being able to sit down and have first off is its a process and people want to vent. Im sure that, you know, they want to vent as well, but lets get through that, get to the point where we can begin to make good decisions moving forward that gets community by and first be open and honest with each other and making sure that that is understood, and thats carried from the beginning to the end. Reporter you also understand have to understand the historical context. Since cant cook in the 1700s tried to kidnap the king of hawaii and was stabbed to death in the surf and then since the generations after that, the u. S. Marines unlawfully staged a coup to take this Kingdom Of Hawaii so a lot of hurt feelings here, a lot of trust has been eroded by the response and a lot of people watching the Rebuilding Effort to see if these people are included, jim. All right, bill weir, Great Reporting as always. Thanks so much for the time. Cant wait to get you back on to talk about this important topic. Just keeps coming up over and over again. 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Were doubling down on information sharing, including on the dprks Missile Launches and cyber activities, strengthening our Ballistic Missile defense cooperation, and critically, critically, weve all committed to swiftly consult with each other in response to threats to any one of our countries from whatever source it occurs. And cnn Global Affairs analyst and senior managing editor of the military times, kimberly dozier, joins us now. Great to see you. Whats the message coming out of this summit . Was there a cohesive, unifying message coming out of this summit . Absolutely. You dont hold a summit in a place like camp david, such a historic spot, and the first time that the three of these men have met just the three together, not on the sidelines of Something Like a nato summit, is that you know everyone is in accord. This is about the unification of three countries against common threats, things like the rise of china economically and militarily, and the increasing instability, chaos coming out of north korea, and the threat that a russiannorth koreachina triumvirate presents. Its not a formal treaty, but it is the basis for one. Its a way to have a hotline established in case of future crises. And its also a way to put down a structure in place that could be hard for any one of their successors if any one of them are replaced to take apart in future. And kim, the president also mentioned that the three countries see eye to eye on the war in ukraine, which is also significant. What kind of impact does that have . Well, they have already given all of them large amounts of aid. Of course, the u. S. , billions in weapons aid. Japan giving humanitarian aid, and south korea facilitating by giving some of its munitions that ukraine so badly needs to combat what they call shell hunger on the battlefield, not having enough ammunition to just keep firing day after day after day in this grinding war. But it means that as the u. S. Faces headwinds, as biden faces headwinds from his own party and this gop campaign that hes facing where increasingly members of the gop are talking about withdrawing support from ukraine or at least lowering the amount of support, this is three countries standing together, saying, this matters, and were going to use our economic might to continue to support that fight. Yeah, and its no small thing to see the leaders of japan and south korea getting together like this with the american president at camp david, kim dozier, thank you so much. Really appreciate it. All right, the clock is ticking for the republicans who are on the outside looking in. So far, eight candidates have qualified for the first republican primary debate on wednesday. Front runner donald trump is expected to skip that debate. The others have until monday night to meet polling and donor thresholds. Joining me now is jeffery sonnen feld, senior associate dean for Executive Programs at yale university. Professor, jeff, great to see you as always. Let me ask you about this, because republicans have become increasingly vocal about, we were just talking about this with kim dozier a few moments ago, the war in ukraine, and republicans have become increasingly vocal against openended u. S. Funding for the war in ukraine. How much of a topic is that going to be on wednesday . We were talking with Asa Hutchinson about this at the top of the hour, and he plans on susp spending some time on it. Jim, you have been covering this from different angles. I was glued to the show, as i always am, and its an honor to rejoin you. As a quick aside, i want to congratulate you guys on your nimbleness in bringing on judge michael ludig, a leading Originalist Thinker from the bench, originally, and lawrence from the other side of the aisle, Professor Tribe from harvard that these guys have never been unified on any cause before and this patriotic message theyve given you is perhaps something depending on what the court does with it as important as after the u. S. Constitution, the declaration of independence, probably their essay is more important than any single federalist paper, but that is an aside. The whole show is riveting. And you have been getting to these issues of ukraines support, and i think that theres a good deal of support, of course, in the republican party. Representative michael turner, mccaul, the head of the house Foreign Relations committee, a republican, and turner Representative Turner is head of the intelligence committee, and a republican, and their support is solid, as is most of the republican party, but yes, the debates it will come up, and the candidates are distributed around their support. Yeah, and im going to ask you about litigant and tribe in a moment, but i spoke with vivek, president ial candidate thats been rising in the president ial polls just the other night, and i asked him about his position that he would allow the russian president , Vladimir Putin, to keep parts of ukraine that have been captured so far. And lets play some of that conversation. I want to get your response to that. Our engagement in ukraine is further driving russia into chinas arms. So, my Foreign Policy centers on weakening that alliance. So, you would let putin have parts of ukraine . I would freeze the current lines. I would freeze the current lines of control, and that would leave parts of the donbas region with russia. You know, jeff, he also mentioned he would go to moscow, meet with putin in moscow, block ukraine from joining nato. As i told him the other night, it sounds like a win for putin. You were mentioning inside the republican party, yes, there are some who support what the u. S. Is doing in terms of supporting ukraine, but it sounds like what Vivek Ramaswamy and others in the gop, some of them will be on the stage, they want to take the country in a completely different direction when it comes to ukraine. Well, you know, we have nine of the announced candidates of the announced 12, not all nine of the supporters of ukraine will be on the stage, but certainly, Chris Christie is a very strong supporter and was just in bucha this current month in ukraine, and hes very solid supporter, as is mike pence, Vice President pence, who referred to President Trump as a Neville Chamberlain sort, appeasement to hitler. If you apply that to Vivek Ramaswamy, hes even more entitled to be accused of that. Hes entitled to his freedom of speech, but weve always had flamboyant people, sadly n times of distress, that go toward supporting totalitarians and fascists, which is what ramaswamy goes for. Hes a smart, entertaining guy who comes out with outrageous positions to get attention. He clearly is part of the rudy giuliani, rfk jr. , Allen Dershowitz forgetmenot school of public discourse, so he says outrageous things. To think hed be this naive, to think hed get an agreement with russia to sever ties with china by giving up this hardfought land in the donbas where hes done nothing is just ludicrous, and it flies in the face of all the u. S. Interests. You know, its Governor Desantis calls it a territorial dispute, and hes vacillated up and back. Ramaswamy is going up harsher and harsher against ukraine and its an unsupported position. He should go over there and visit. As for judge luidig and Professor Tribe, just very quickly, your sense as to how that might be received at the Supreme Court because it sounds like thats where this is going to end up. Thats when Russell Wilson i where its going to end up. Theres a misnomer that there are only three qualifications to be president of the United States, that you have to be over 35 years of age, and these are the standards that people look at, and a u. S. Born citizen. Thats not it. You also have to support the constitution of the United States if youve taken an oath. President trump, as you heard the professor and the judge say, President Trump has said that he would terminate the constitution. He said that. Hes interfered with the elections, of course, and hes given aid and comfort to insurrectionists. That triggers this clause. Its a very low standard of evidence. Theres not beyond a shadow of a doubt. This is just preponderance of the evidence or probable cause. It doesnt take much to trigger this. None of these things are ever black and white. I know President Trump very well, personally. Some day, if you have the time, i can share the email well, the email is from his office, but he was dictating about how he was going to go after ted cruz on his citizenship if it was a serious threat in his canadian heritage, and we know that he went after president obama similarly. So, these kinds of issues get disputed. Eligibility should go to the court. 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