The Supreme Court hears arguments in his Immunity Claim also tonight, live reports from the University Campuses at the end of a day that saw propalestinian demonstrations spread and grow plus arizona, were say lawmakers are trying again to undo their recently revivim nir total abortion ban dating back to the civil war. Good evening. Tomorrow morning. The former president is back in court here in new york for the first full de, a Prosecution Testimony in the Hush Money Criminal Trial on time. Trump friend and former tabloid publisher, david pecker will be back on the stand, expected to continue laying out the socalled catch and kill scheme at this center of this case. Meantime, the judge, juan merchan could rule on the prosecutions motion and to hold trump in contempt for his attacks on witnesses, notably Michael Cohen, his former lawyer and fixer, who made the payments to Stormy Daniels, which has boss allegedly hd through misleading Business Records the defendants meant some of his day today lashing out at the gag order. He is accused of violating calling it unconstitutional and complaining that quote, the conflicted judges, friends and Party Members can say whatever they want about me. But im not allowed to respond on top of the trial tomorrow. The Supreme Court also hears Oral Arguments on his claim of president ial unity in the federal january 6 case. Here to help break it all down, former house january 6 Committee Senior investigative counsel to me, agangawilliams, cnns kara scannell, bestselling author and former federal prosecutor, jeopardy thuban, and cnn legal analyst karen friedman, agnifilo. So caroline, start with you. What do we expect more on the court to a meeting at trump tower in 2015. Now, he began by introducing them to Karen Mcdougal. But tomorrow theyre really going to get into the heart of that deal and the role of ami, the role of Michael Cohen, the phone calls around this and how that came it to be and then move into the Stormy Daniels, which is at the center of this case and bring the campaign into this even more so, hes expected to be on the stand, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole de when the defense gets their crossexamination going, but he will be for the prosecutions witness to try to continue to establish these catch and kill conspiracy for and then also the motive for which was to help Donald Trumps campaign. Timmy diet. And what do you see . David pecker is role as this for the prosecution. I think for so long weve talked about Michael Cohen as the narrator, and i think whats so powerful here is that david pecker is really serving as that narrator, but he has the benefit of not having the hostility and credibility issues that are associated Michael Cohen, but hes really serving the role of taking us from 2015. Hes drawing the campaign in. Hes talking about everything is little as trump signing checks and Pay Attention to invoices. So theres so many different data points that hes bought us into, but they cant attack him the same way. So ill be looking for when hes crossexamined and how to trumps lawyers whereas handle that. Are they going and calling him biased, aggrieved, or whatnot because what weve heard so far in the courtroom, he talks about trump, but even some level of reverence. And that is not really consistent with saying that youre trying to bring the former president down. So its gonna be a tough thing to balance there, but trumps lawyers, i have an idea about how theyre going to crossexamine him. I think theyre going to say, did you do you think you are committing crimes . Did you think you were part of a conspiracy or we just running a magazine . Clearly, he did it or did i mean, did he do you think he did . I dont think he does. He he cooperated with you on an article in the new yorker in 2017, he told me all about his payments to Karen Mcdougal. He did not talk about stormy annuals that was not public at that point, but and he has not been prosecuted. So thats another thing that the defense is going to point out is that if you were a coconspirator, how come youre walking free and how come donald trump is defendant here now there may be answers to all these things, but i think the idea that at the prosecution is criminalizing behavior that is simply not a crime is going to be a big theme to karen. Dont prosecutors make deals with disreputable people who have committed crimes who might be charged. Otherwise, if they didnt have information to turn on somebody else on a bigger fish. Well, as we always say, as prosecutors, we wish that crimes were committed in front of a bus full of nuns, right. But when youre dealing with people who commit crimes, youre surrounded by the people who they commit crimes with and so you take your eyewitnesses as they come and thats what the prosecution will say, which is donald trump picked Michael Cohen, donald trump picked david pecker. Those are the people in his inner circle that he chose to do these things with so youre left with who youre left with, but isnt the issue Michael Cohen. Okay. Bad guy. Hi. Everybody can agree he committed crimes with packer. Isnt the argument . Well, hes not a bad guy. Hes just a businessman who was involved with donald trump hes not the classic cooperator because the classic cooperator is someone whos already admitted to criminal conduct pecker has an admitted to, but he has been granted immunity by the feds Michael Cohen was prosecuted federally for this. I mean, its not like there wasnt some criminal acknowledgment federally and because of the supremacy clause, unfortunately, that applies to the state, they cant then prosecute pecker for it, but i think it was both for david pecker. I i think he was an associate and business person for with donald trump for a very long period of time and then came this crucial critical meeting in 2015, where they formulated this conspiracy to illegally or unlawfully allegedly is what the prosecution is going to say, interfere with the election. And it was all about the election at that point. And we know because one of the things he said was with the doorman that was not we were not able to confirm that story. In fact, we debunked it, but had it been real, we would have released it after the election. It was very clear that what they were doing was about the election and at that point when youre paying, wasnt to protect Melania Trump it was about the right if it was, then he wouldnt have released it after the election. He was doing these catch and kills fine. But when it was about the election, those arent when youre paying people. Its an inkind donation and you have to declare that at a dangerous point, there and asked him whether you thought it was a crime, he might say yes. So i dont know if im if im Defense Counsel and crossexamine. I dont know that i go there. I think that feels dangerous if youre asking a witness whos been granted immunity to weigh in on whether they thought something they were doing was problematic. He could bell will agree. And what does that leave their trump defensive with the jury hearing that the witness to go challenge says, yeah, i did it, which means he did a to i wonder yeah, i assume prosecutors would already know the answer to that question. This stage wouldnt say the interview they didnt have viewed pecker. So they know the answer. They know its about theyll respond question. The interesting thing, qarrah is that donald trump has not gone after david pecker. I mean, david pecker is potentially testifying very damaging information he has not gone after him the way Michael Cohen obviously making cohen has been beating him and as wrote a whole book called revenge, which david pecker has not done. But im wondering if donald trump is scared about what else david pecker knows. I mean, thats the question ive been wondering too, because their relationship goes back a long time and david pecker was explaining this is he noted he there is some kind of reverence in the way that there is that they referring to him and the standard calling him mr. Trump, but they go back a long time and he also testified that he was doing caching, killed deals with around donald trump, talking to Michael Cohen, Finding Stories whether he was actually executed in the catch and kill the different story but he said he was doing this since 2007, but everything changed in 2015. And i think his testimony he also isnt a spot. He he didnt flip in the way that Michael Cohen has flipped. Hes giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasnt said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but its not incriminating the way that Michael Cohens. I just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the crossexamination because of who theyre dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out. What i think they may do is not crossexamine him in a hostile way and say, you were just a businessman you were doing what you thought was good for the enquirer and maybe helping your friend, you didnt think you were committing a crime, did you . And i think that is often more effective than beating someone up and saying youre a liar, youre in that i think is probably the most, most effective way to deal with them. And the thing about pecker though, is this whole deal has been a nightmare for him. I mean he was a lot more successful businessman in 2016 than he is today. He has spent millions of dollars in attorneys fees. He got immunity from the feds, but he almost was indicted did by the feds. So i dont know that his attitude towards trump is as reverential as it used to be. I think the cross of him is going to be you dealt with Michael Cohen, donald trump wasnt there. You dealt with its going to be all the times that it was he and Michael Cohen. Again, putting Michael Cohens credibility as the issue because he wants to bank it so that my Michael Cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. Thank you, everyone. Now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. And as weve been discussing, is likely be crossexamined about when the trial resumes, not catch and kill relating to the Stormy Daniels or Karen Mcdougal deals. But the one that actually paved the way for them in this deal they had before the election, the first story that the National Enquirer allegedly intercepted for trump in regards to the election. Heres randy k about a year before the 2016 election, former Trump Tower Doorman, dino sajudin, suddenly got 30,000 richer the National Enquirer, but exclusive rights to a fake story. He was peddling about a socalled Loved Child Fathered Out Of Wedlock by donald trump with his housekeeper. There was a pattern that first 30,000 was paid to a Trump Tower Doorman to squash a rumor that trump had fathered a child with an employee this was the first time, according to prosecutors that the head of american media, inke, david pecker, who published the National Enquirer, had ever paid anyone for information about donald trump for his part, trump has always denied having the child in question. This is a copy of the signed Source Agreement between the doorman and david pecker, who at the time was a trump loyalist. The agreement reads source shall provide ami with information regarding Donald Trumps illegitimate child. According to the statement of facts filed by prosecutors when trump was indicted in the Stormy Daniels hush money case. Pecker learned in the fall of 2015 that the doorman was trying to sell information regarding a child that trump had allegedly fathered out of wedlock at peckers direction. The prosecutor said ami negotiated and signed an agreement to pay the doorman 30,000 for exclusive rights to the story not to publish it, but to bury it. The doormans story about the socalled loved child turned out to be false, just a rumor. In fact, the still unnamed woman at the center of it denied it all to the api in 2018, saying this is all fake. Ronan farrow also wrote in a new yorker piece that the housekeepers father said, the doormans claim was completed lately, false and ridiculous. After those reports in april 2018 and after hed been freed from his agreement with ami, the doorman gave a statement to cnn. He stood by his story despite the fact there was no evidence to prove it. I can confirm that i was instructed not to criticize president trumps former Housekeeper Due to a prior relationship she had with president trump, which produced a child according to court documents, when ami realize the claim was false and wanted to release the doormen from his agreement with them. Trumps then lawyer turned fixer, Michael Cohen told pecker not to release the doorman until after the president ial election. The agreement the doorman had made with ami in 2015 also stated that if he shared his story anywhere else, hed be forced to pay a 1,000,000 penalty in 2019 after hed been released from the deal, the doorman selfpublished a book, writing in the description i was the trump dormant back then. I wasnt able to fully give my side of the story. Randi joins us now, where is that doorman today . What anderson, we know that doorman certainly is no longer working at trump tower the last time cnn actually put eyes on him was back in 2018 when we tracked him down to his house. That was an Eastern Pennsylvania and that really was the last known address for him. And hes really fallen off the radar, at least the medias radar until this trial, of course. And one would assume anderson that hes likely working somewhere, right. Because that 30,000 he was paid was likely not enough for him to live on all these years, but it seems he really has gone underground all right. Ready. Dk. Thanks so much. Next and i break a news new reporting from arizona on 2020 election subversion charges, just out, naming the former president as an Unindicted Coconspirator and charging Rudy Giuliani, mark meadows Breaking News as well on propalestinian Campus Demonstration from coasttocoast will have to live reports tonight. Plus the latest on arrest happening at the University Of Texas the day you get your clear choice dental implants makes every day lets dig in day a chow down day a take a big bite. 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Dont wait call today. Preferred better science, better results this is cnn the worlds news Breaking News day before the former president s criminal trial and alleged Election Interference continues. Arizona prosecutors have secured indictments against a number of his allies and the states growing fake electors case related to the 2020 election, including his former attorney, Rudy Giuliani as former chief of staff, mark meadows is that cohen broke the story for cnn. He joins us now. So what are you learning about the criminal charges yeah. Anderson noncount Equity Multiple Felony is the top line felony is a conspiracy the indictment alleges that Rudy Giuliani, mark meadows, bores epstein, who is a close adviser to the former president. President. They all Work Together with these fake electors. Theres from arizona to deceive the people in the voters here and look, these are serious crimes and perhaps even more expansive than what we were expecting. Weve reported previously that the Attorney General you know, here seem to be focused primarily on the electors themselves as 11 who were charged. Today, in addition to the trump allies. But the indictment does really reflect how this investigation has banded over just the last several months that we did have reporting that indicated that was the case that they were looking into people from trumps natural campaign, from people in trumps inner orbit and you cant get it much more inner orbit. And Rudy Giuliani and mark meadows, as far as that timeframe where donald trump was trying to overturn the 2020 election look, this is the latest and the most recent statelevel investigation to bring criminal charges for actions related to 2020 election. And in fact, it may perhaps the most serious statelevel indictment that weve seen so far, maybe comparable with what weve seen in georgia. But yes, donald trump also named as an Unindicted Coconspirator in this case, as part of this alleged conspiracy what so what comes next you Anderson Wolf start to see initial appearances these indicted individuals will happen have to show up in court and be arraigned. And then we will also start to see after that some potential plea deals will start to see people close to the president , perhaps talk to prosecutors, be offered an opportunity to play out how similar to what weve seen in the georgia case as well. And i want to note too, because horus epstein, who is a close adviser to the former president , he worked on the President Campaign in 2020 instrumental to this effort to overturn the 2020 election. He is probably the one person in this indictment who has stayed close to the former president in the years since the effort to overturn the election she had in fact, he was width former president in manhattan when donald trump was arraigned in the hush money case. And sources are telling Kristen Holmes that the reason we havent seen Boris Epshteyn close to the former president as is trial in new york has started is because of concerns in trumps inner circle about this looming indictment in arizona. So now we know that Boris Epshteyn is among those who has been indicted and charged along with mark meadows, Rudy Giuliani, and a host of others, that cohen thanks so much meanwhile, in the former president s bid to return to the white house, hes been laying the groundwork for what another term in office might look like, primarily how he plans to execute his goal of overhauling the federal government and read washington in the socalled deep state cnns kyung lah, investigated some of the former president s promises and the impact they may have. Heres what she found at every 2024 Campaign Rally for former President Donald Trump he makes oh wow, we will demolish the deep state. We will demolish the deep state. We will demolish the deep state. The deep state is his named enemy federal workers, who trump believes conspire against him. Heres my plan to dismantle the deepstate and reclaim our democracy from washington corruption and trumps ten point plan and his Campaign Website outlined sweeping changes he wants to make to Government Agencies faceless bureaucrats will never again be able to target and persecute conservatives christians or the lefts, political enemies. The end result would erase federal Worker Protections that have been in place for more than 140 years. Heres eliminate entire departments and consolidate power around trump to understand the impact of what could happen in trumps second term. You only have to look at his first i will immediately reissue my 2020 Executive Order, restoring the president s authority to remove rogue bureaucrats that Executive Order he signed just before losing the 2020 election turns Government Jobs into political appointments. During the Trump Administration, the power to fire employees at will and replace them with loyalists making them according to this federal report, subject to removal for partisan political reasons, they want people doing Scientific Research to the Nuclear Regulatory commission who dont have the qualifications to perform that kind of work. Theyre all like qualification is an allegiance to the trump agenda. Jacqueline simon represents a large Government Employee union. She says the expertise of Government Workers cant be replaced on a political win once that kind of stuff is politicized, lets say you deny disability claim based on somebodys politics. How do you feel as you think about what the federal workforce could look like . Its very disheartening and its scary. I think that there will be a massive exodus of competence. I do think that this is in part an effort to weaponize the bureaucracy, lifelong republican robert shea was a political appointee under president george w bush. He believes politics should be kept out of the federal workforce no matter who is in the white house i would expect to see wide swaths of Civil Servants removed from their positions and replaced with people more loyal to president trump. Do you read this as loyalty test . I do. These documents obtained by the National Treasury employees union show the Trump Administration plan to cut deep one agency proposing almost 70 of his position should become political appointments by claiming they deal with policy it specialist data management, budget, Information Support manager. We read the jobs list of obama era omb official kenneth bear. So why would you make all these positions political appointee . Because thats what they want to destroy the independent objective Civil Service thats why i think it would really fundamentally weaken the american government, but also american democracy if we got rid of that career staff, deep say, must end will be brought to heel. Its but thats only part of what trump appears to have in store the move parts of the sprawling federal bureaucracy to new locations outside the Washington Swamp Two places filled with patriots who love america hes also promising to relocate federal agencies out of dc, something he did in his first term i was devastated. The Trump Administration targeted to agencies that the usda moving hundreds of jobs, including catherine greens out of washington to kansas city the official reason was to create significant savings for taxpayers, improve usdas ability to attract and retain highly qualified personnel and attract a diverse staff. But the exact opposite happened. In fact, one government studies showed that the administration excluded critical costs and estimate for moving agencies. And after two years, the workforce was made up mostly of new employees with less experience. And the number of black employees declined to about a third of what it once was. The goal was to uproot the agency in such a way that most people would have to move on and most people did the Biden Administration is trying to slow down any action trump could take against federal employees if he wins the 2024 election by finalizing a new rule that says Civil Service protections cant be taken away from employees unless they voluntarily give them away. Our experts tell us that while that might put a pause on trumps plans, essentially, putting in a speed bump, ultimately, trump could do what he is planning the only permanent fix would be legislation passed by congress. Anderson joomla. Thanks very much. Next more Breaking News or lab reports and propalestinian demonstrations and arrested some of the countrys top College Campuses and well look at speaker johnsons visit to Columbia University today. 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We are just about three miles from the gaza border its finding out something unexpected. I relish my conversations, its context. The economy is by far the top issue for americans in this election curiosity someone else de, to jump in the race and devolve all all. Its about sharing that. So you can be out front to lets go out front. Erin Burnett Outfront week nights. Its seven on cnn the. Resting protesters on the University Of Texas campus today in austin, at least 20 people taken into custody so far as propalestinian demonstrations continue to colleges and universities from coast to coast today, longtime Palestinian Leader or hanon, a sra, we put out a statement in support of the protesters number of Jewish CommunitySecurity Officials called on School Administrators to quote, restore calm and order. We have three live reports starting with cnns nick watt on the campus of the university of Southern California in los angeles nick, would have you been saying well, andrew, is being relatively peaceful during the afternoon, but just a few minutes ago, Campus Security came back with bullhorns. Im told this grad that if they dont leave within ten minutes, they will be liable for criminal trespass and listened to the giant we will not stop. We will not rest. So it does not look like these people plan to leave. Are you planning to leave replanning . Im going today. You go to town. This is a good day to go to jail. Thats Martin Luther king said, i cant believe theyre going to start locking up senior citizens. Im 66 if somebody had to come and support these young people, theyre not alone. Thats why im here. Okay. So earlier in the De The Last Time the police tried to come on to this square, it did not go well, they came on this morning. It wasnt lapd. It was Campus Police they tried to clear tense and it got very ugly, very fast demonstrators haranguing them, causing the mac. Then it got physical. A lot of pushing one person was arrested, put in a squad car the crowds are rounded that car, and would not let it bleed. They were begging the police, ordering the police to let that protester go. The police did. And then the temperature dropped dramatically. It was tom all afternoon. Of course, there was from the river to the sea. There was there is only one solution into, by the revolution. All of that, so jewish students made to feel uncomfortable. They close the campus down, they locked, closed the gates. You had to have id to get in. They college blames a lot of this on outside id agitators they wanted to keep those people out. But we are about to see anderson. I think the second confrontation of the day as the police come in, there are dozens of lapd cars just off campus. Theres Campus Security within minutes. We expect theyre going to come in and try to move all of them these people are say whats going to happen. But if this morning was anything to go by, it will not be pretty and just doesnt seem like these are mostly students well, there is a mix. There are students and there are definitely people from outside. I mean, social media this morning, there were other organization patients within la asking people to come down here for this demonstration, this University Administrators like to say that this is all outside agitators. There are dead definitely students here as well. The hardcore, i would say quite a few people from offcampus who have come to calls a ruckus here on the campus because this is the focus, this is where the media is. This is where they kopan to protest all right. Nick watt. Thank you. And 11 derek joins us now from you the of texas at austin, ed, what do you even seeing there while the situation here has dramatically changed in just the last hour earlier today, a studentled protests organized by the Palestine Solidarity Committee had organized a protest in a march through campus, which was supposed to end. Here are which is the area known as the south mol of the ut campus. Looking back down there toward the state capital. And thats where those the Student Protesters were confronted by a long line of State Troopers that arrived here on the campus. It was incredibly tense as those boat both sides of the Law Enforcement officers confronted those protesters here the protesters had been saying that there was nothing violent here going on, that it was peter peaceful and in the last hour or so, uti official sent out an alert to all the students saying that they had to leave this area or risk being arrested and then about about that same time, much of the Law Enforcement present simply just disappeared. So this is what were left seen here. This evening. Anderson, as you see the last remnants of the protest asked here on the south mall, theyve been spending the last year. Our so chance leading chants here in the south mall area. Texas Governor Greg Abbott put out on social media saying that he believed that the protesters, the Student Protesters involved in this belong in jail, that the protesters, the Student Protesters should also be expelled clearly, the governor of texas also receiving a great deal of condemnation for that critique of what many of these protests was viewed as simple free speech on this day the, Texas Department of public safety, state trooper say they arrested last we heard from them was about 20 people Protest Organizers say that the arrests are actually more than 50 and many of them are down at the jail here in austin trying to get those protesters bailed out. So that is the scene that has unfolded holding here tonight on the campus of the University Of Texas in austin, anderson, ed lavandera. Thank very much. One of the longest running and most contentious of the Campus Demonstrations that new yorks Columbia University, thats where House Speaker mike johnson, accompanied by fellow gop house members, spoke today. Or in that now from cnns Shimon ProkupeczMounting Pressure for Columbia University president Minouche Shafik as she works to try to negotiate with Student Organizers on campus. She extended the deadline for negotiations by 48 hours, working to dismantle the encampment that has taken over much of campus its pretty disheartening to see all this on canvas. I will say, i think a lot of people are misguided propalestinian protesters are demanding columbia cut off financial ties with israel. Our plan is to be hearing till the university divest, disclose, and provides amnesty for all you could see there are at least fifth the 2705 tenths that remain here. Many of the students who are part of this movement have been sleeping in these tents, have been eating here adding pressure to the situation. House Speaker Mike Johnson visited campus today meeting with jewish students and calling on the University President to resign. I am here today joining my colleagues and calling on president should be to resign. If she cannot immediately bring order to this chaos enjoy your free speech for months. Republican lawmakers have called on Numerous University leaders to resign as they help congressional hearings on the handling of antisemitism on College Campuses while most protests have been nonviolent, some jewish students at columbia are expressing concern for their safety at the end to submitted comments and activity is running ramp but some people are saying that theres some of this stuff thats coming out is antisemitic or its anti against jews. Is that a fair representation of whats happening here . I do not think its a fair representation of being kamut, but that doesnt diminish at all how terrible and unneeded, unwanted, and how much it should not exist. The Antisemitism Anywhere in the entire world Columbia University recently shifted to hybrid classes, due to safety concerns. Now allowing the option to attend class and take final exams remotely through the end of the semester lets making a harder to go to classes and everything. I mean, things are switching to be remote last week when students were arrested at columbia, some democrats like representative alexandria ocasiocortez, condemned University Officials for involving police. She said on x calling and Police Enforcement on nonviolent demonstrations of Young Students on campus is an escalatory, reckless, and dangerous act. Some republicans like senator tom cotton said there should be more Police Intervention on campus. These University President s need to ask the mayor and the chief of police in new york to send it in New York New York citys finest to arrest anyone whos breaking the law and shimmering joins us now. So what are you seeing tonight . How is it time so interestingly enough, anderson, just before we came amman within and you can see there are some nypd officers in helmets behind me. There was actually a small group gathered just a couple of feet away and they were doing their chance they actually moved in and they told them to move. That they cant stand there anymore. They made an announcement and the group left but having been out here for the last for the past seven we will night. Its just different different sort of seen because usually the nypd, lets hang out, lets subdue what theyre doing for quite some time, but its apparent, right . Now, it appears that the nypds being a little more aggressive here on the outside of Columbia University telling the protesters to move on. Otherwise, theyre going to be arrested this group moved on. They left the other concern here anderson is that there was a lot of rumors going around at the university that somehow the National Guard would we called in to try and remove the encampment of protesters inside the college today, the college said thats completely baseless that rumor is not true in terms of any military presence on the campus thats just not going to happen. All right. From prokupecz. Thanks much the war that these protesters are speaking out against did not come from nowhere. It began, as you know, last october when hamas launched a Terror Attack on israel targeting civilians for murder, rape, and abduction one of the young people wounded and kidnap that de, was hersh goldbergpolin, the world last saw being forced into a pickup truck by gunman in this video versus lefthand and part of his arm, were shot, are blown off the bone was sticking out. Weve been talking with harahsha parents, john and rachel ever since. They havent had any word whether or not theres some survive those injuries in a word, if he was alive or not. Well today, they finally did get word. His captors released this Hostage Video of harahsha, a Hostage Video of hersh, the first of an american captive. Were not going to show you the Hostage Video. Were going to show you a frame from it to show you what hersh what his parents saw it was unclear when it was made, but was made. But his wound appears to be healed in it. And he was alive in the video, he refers to as 200 days in captivity holiday without specifying which one. He also said he loved his parents and he miss them they put out a video Statement Today seeing a video first today is overwhelming are relieved to see him alive but were also concerned about his health and wellbeing is well as bad of all of the other hostages and all of those suffering in this region. If you can hear this we heard your voice today for the first time in 201 days and if you can hear us, i am telling you we are telling you we love you. Stay strong survive hersh goldbergpolin, taken captive to 101 days ago, about 130 men, women, and children are still hostages in gaza. Want to return to our nick watt, who has been covering campus protests nick, explain what youre seeing well. Right now, there are dozens of Police OfficersCampus Police, and lapd wearing riot helmets, pitons drawn, many them with zip hi is on their belts. They have circled this little park where the protesters are still chanting with about a dozen or so of them locked arms in the middle itll waiting to try and thwart this attempt to arrest him. Theyve been told they were given ten minutes to get act or they would be liable for criminal trespass the police circling as i say, its unclear what they are trying to do at the moment if theyre trying to find a way in they are massing at the sides of this park. Alumni park, which is where commencement is supposed to be taking place. And just a couple of weeks here. But right now, it is a very, very different seen. The chanting is not stopping the drum beats are not stopping. More people are joining that little throng in the middle determined to resist this police saffron. The police are now oh, i see yeah. Okay. The police are basically getting orders. Theyre lining up ready he to move in is unclear what the delay is right now. So its just decision. Nick, if you can explain, were seeing this sort of failing some police as theyre kind of getting in position, getting organized. Can you just kind of just give you a give us a birdseye sense of where these officers were seeing the officers, where are they in relation to . The group of protesters . How big a group of protesters theyre here, dave. Dave, ill ask dave, japan rancid there. You see the police and there is the bunch of people locked arms in the middle. So were talking you know, there are about 30 or 40 feet away from them, right now and as i say, you know, earlier in the day we saw Campus Police tried to come in and clear tense and it did not go well, but the crowd is much bigger than it was this morning with the tragic protesters much bigger many people with kaffee has covering their faces. Many people with covid masks covering their faces. They know that they are liable for criminal charges here. So trying to conceal hello, her identities. I see a protester here with Safety Goggles and a helmet on and the police are still gathering around it beside its unclear why theyre not coming in i mean, they so about how many protesters they do come in. This is not going to be pretty do you have any Social Anderson give a sense . How many protesters there are and are they completely surrounded by police when the police and in relation are not completely surrounded by the police. The police have lined up against the one side of the party and actually a few minutes ago, we heard some of the Protest Organizers saying if you would like to leave safely, and you dont want to be arrested leave to the right. So a lot of people have left lead giving a hardcore in the middle again, it is very unclear what the police are doing. They seem to be unsure how to quite handle this they are now lined up against a long two sides of the park. Dave, dave. Dave. If you pan over there, de these are just to be clear, are these these are not campus please. These are these are los angeles place. But these are these are both anderson yeah. So look, now you can see in david along here so you see these officers lined up here with their batons were their zip tie they are, now if we pan around, look, you can see how close thats where the not of protesters is right in the middle there sorry, the police are now lining up along two sides of the park, two sides are open. I mean, im assuming that they would like to leave two sides open to the people who want to get at can get out the police are stationary. You can possibly hear the lapd Helicopters Above and nic in terms of the it does have the demonstrators been on the campus like this is it really just in the last several days, it was kind of grown to this its really just its really this morning anderson at 4 30 this morning, they came onto campus. They put up some tents. They were told by the university theres no camping ordinance, so they took the tents down and then they told me that they felt that the university was being really nitpicky telling me they couldnt put banners up they felt that the whole tenth thing was unjust. So these protesters decided to then make a stand. They put their tense back up shortly after that is when Campus Security tried to move those tense and we saw the scuffles earlier in the day, then for most of the afternoon, it has been passionate, but peaceful. A lot of chanting a lot of speakers, the crowd growing and growing, the college, closing the gates, making sure people have id, they the college didnt want this to get this big they were trying to keep outsiders off the campus by the looks of it theyve kind of failed. So right now, we just still have this standoff. We have the police along two sides of the par three sides of the park. I didnt see many more protesters actually leaving. We just have this circle in the middle of people determined to make a stand and we have their supporters gathered around safely off the graph. Obviously trying not to be involved in what might happen here, but its a standoff right now the police are not moving at all, right now not at all. So the nick i want to wait and see whats going to happen. And nick, while while we watch this, i want to bring in former philadelphian. Does he top cap Charles Ramsey, he joined on the phone. She frames eight and four officers in a situation like this. I mean, obviously, theres theres a lot to consider a lot to you know, youre working with Campus Police, youre working with young people who are protesting. How do you approach Something Like this from a Law Enforcement standpoint . Well, right now, theyre just getting in position. Lapd is there to support the Campus Police at southern cal theyre going to be giving warnings to individuals before they believed before they begin any Enforcement Action normally you give at least three warnings. Youll do it by getting a time check through your Communications Center and doing it on a bullhorn so people can hear i just heard from the report that there are two sides that are open. So hopefully people do disperse and leave, if not the university is more than likely they ordered the officers to clear that particular area, so theyll go in very slowly trying not to have any confrontation, but it looks as if thats exactly he was going to happen. Theyre protesters are there with their arms locked. So therell be numerous arrests made and hopefully knowing gets injured in the process when you have a situation where you have Campus Police, do Campus Police have a resting powers or to Campus Police . Yeah. Detained somebody and then hand them over to local Law Enforcement . They do have a rest powers. Campus police do . Yes led is there if lapd makes the arrest, courts still do the processing and so forth but yeah, Campus Police do have full Police Powers and in a case like this, who determines wet if and when to actually move in. I mean, is it it in consultation with the people who run the university . Is yes. At some point, ill just up purely a Law Enforcement decision know the university will be the one that will make the decision as to whats going to take place. It wont be lapd. Lapd is there to assist along with the Campus Police, but itll be the University Leadership that will decide whether or not they want to protesters cleared from the campus so right now you see, him in a posture where theyre just waiting. I dont know if youre waiting to get orders or or what the situation is. Certainly there i want to try to get as many people to leave on their own as possible but it is very apparent that you have a group of individuals who have no intention of leaving. Theyve locked arms and hopefully they can be removed without any real incident taking place and nic, whats whats whats been going on where we were talking about chief ramsey well, we have seen the police Still Standing there theres some of them with weapons that fire nonlethal rubber rands. We have seen Protest OrganizerWalking Around telling people not to resist arrest it is still that standoff. As chief ramsey said, we still have the two sides the park, open. They are clearly hoping that as many people leave as possible. I would say right now, we have a circle of 40 t or 50 people arms locked waiting for them in the center of the park the police Still Standing there stocks hill pitons drawn, waiting for the orders and, you know, its interesting what youve ramped. He was saying about who gives the orders. It was the university that asked the lapd to come in earlier. It is the university for sure that is calling the shots. This is a private colleges is private land oh the lapd. We were speaking to before they made it very clear. They come here at the invitation of the university, usc has clearly decided that enough is enough. 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When Campus Police and lapd officers have been hoping to clear a park, theyre given protesters a deadline for leaving, which is passed it seen right now, tense. He was think what is on campus on the phone form of dc in philadelphia, top gop charles ran nick would in the last few minutes that weve been away. Whats happening . Okay. Well, the police are now surrounding three sides of the park. And if you look here, dave Protest Organizers are handing out water and food to the people, looking brace to be arrested in the middle. Somebody has also been Walking Around, taking their cell phones from them and writing on their arm with a sharpie the number for the National Lawyers guild, which they say will help them once theyre arrested. If we look at this sign here, usc would rather jail students, than divest from genocide. Are you ready to be arrested youve resigned doesnt want to talk. They dont want to talk to media very much. So lets go and store the police are now dave, come this way so look, you see the officers now down here so this is the third sayyed, the officers have now congregated the third side of the park. This ahead of me is still open. That is where people have been leaving. Thats where people have been leaving. Yeah. And its i mean, its now a small bunch of people left in this park, brace for arrest yep and if youll notice over there, there is a Police Officer with a camera. Dave, can you see that guy . Police officer with a Camera Filming the protesters back to you guys and Charles Ramsey just talking to you just in terms of who makes the decision when to move in earlier, were talking about is it University Officials . Is would there be University Officials on scene . You a good excuse me University Officials on scene, but they will give the go ahead to begin trying to move people out of the park. The good news is it looks like most of the people have left depart, but you have a small group of individuals who intend to be arrested. And of course, the police will accommodate them but hopefully they can do so without any real physical activity having to take that, theyll be able to go and somewhat peacefully anyway, to be able to make the arrest. But University Officials will be the ones who make the decision. They say clearly area the thats when the police will start clearing the area theyve surrounded on three sides. You still got one avenue of being able to lead warrant get the go ahead. Then theyll start moving in and ill start to make a if somebody is a student on the campus or somebodys not a student on the campus and has just come there in order to demonstrate, does that make a difference . What happens to them after they get arrested no, not really many of the people there. No doubt our students, but theyll have quite a few people that are non students that are there so one thing, give the order to clear the campus then the police will begin to move in. I see they have left lethal munitions and so forth. Available. Hopefully they do not have to use them again, thats as a last resort, theyll begin by trying to