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Special edition of news night. Im Maddie Philip in new york alongside Kaitlan Collins tonight re spect and the cost of compliance with the court. The judge has issued a if he does and if he doesnt threat to former President Trump over his repeats he did breaking of a gag order and the paper trail takes a star turn no headline Witnesses Today in court. But instead, the jury got a crash course in the nittygritty details of the Trump Organization. It was a De Of Show And Tell that included multiple checks and Financial Disclosures bearing the signature of donald j. Trump. That is a critical piece of evidence that the prosecutors need to show that their case doesnt just rest on the word of pr jurors like Michael Cohen, theres also that question of a direct attack on the rule of law. The words of judge juan merchan, starting today addressing violation number ten they gag order that limits what the defendant here i can say. The judge seems poised to move past the fines, lamenting that those 1,000 amounts really are just a slap on the hand for the former president. But the question of jailing him also risks making donald trump look like a martyr, potentially a risk of the judge seems acutely aware of judge merchan on hello, donald trump this morning directly, mr. Trump, its important to understand that the last thing i want to do is put you in jail. And if youre wondering if donald trump left the court today, chastened by the judges warning. Take a listen you know what is much more important than jail studying close ill do that sacrifice any day our panel is here with us to break down the most important moments from inside that courtroom. Joey jackson, robert raised aac shanidar, and dante mills all here in new york you got to feel for the judge here a little bit maybe not robert you got to feel for him alone its a position to be in. Its tough position to be almost it has no choice at this point because there are so many violation. Well, its the warning. He has choices and he has to put donald trump on notice that the last straw has arrived before he then decides to make a decision to incarcerate that doesnt mean the judge has made that decision. But what he did today is a necessary prerequisite to taking that action. If you were to take it, i must say that i think thats i hope an avoidable result for all sides, avoidable for the judge, avoidable for donald trump. Most importantly, if the case travels down that road, what that means is probably an immediate standstill to the case. It means the jury is going to be stopped in its tracks. The trial will stop and were going to be in a collective timeout when donald trump, in all likelihood, takes an appeal to a higher court, which would include the Appellate Division stayed in new york and possibly the state court of appeals. And thats not really in the Public Interest that that happened. And the judge noted that today saying, i am worried and i know that you care, mr. Trump about how quickly this is proceeding along and that this would disrupt this and have a real pause. But joel jackson, i think the other side of it, when people look at it, say, well, would anyone else be able to violate a gag order ten times and still be able to only continue to get a slap on the wrist and the way that the donald trump is simple answer, kaitlan . Absolutely not, right. And so if you look at it just going back the bottom line, is that the judges put in a very difficult position, but theres one person who could decide whether its avoidable and unavoidable and thats the individual he speaking to mr. Trump knows after the ten time after the first time, the second, the third time that there are things you can do and things you cannot do and the issue is i dont see this as stopping the trial and going to appeal. The judge has a number of options. Youd have to put someone in jail for 30 days. You can put them on timeout for a few hours. You can put them on time out over lunch period. You could put them on time out overnight. I mean, you have two and i think the judges acting very you mainly very non politically, but very sternly and saying that, look, we have options here. I dont want to do this, but if you leave me no choice at the end of the day, i have to provide for the decorum of this court, the dignity, the respect of the court. And ultimately i have to protect people and i will do my i will do what i am empowered to do if you force my hand and doing it, lets op does not. But if he does, i think hes going to have to happen. Is he forcing his own hand . Thats what im looking at because when you put somebody on notice, especially former President Donald Trump if you put him on notice, you have to follow through because hes going to come out and say he won if he doesnt my concern is donald trump may want this to happen and he may say he won if he is put in jail, but i want to say something. I dont think donald trump really wants this to happen because i practice in those courtrooms and the process of him even going in, even if judge merchan said, ill put them in for three hours just to teach him a lesson which has been done before most defendants in manhattan criminal cord have not gone as far as donald trump goes in the number of violations, one or two, and youre, youre in might not be for 30 days. It might be for a few hours, but whats behind the courtroom . Behind the wooden wall, behind the judge is a seal is a secret door, and that door goes to were holding area and its disgusting back there. There. Theres a jail cell for defendants who are violent there sometimes are benches with metal clips to handcuffed defendants to a bench. And those processes happen. The hand coughing, the Court Officers surrounding the defendant, although in this case, there would be secret Service Detail in a very small enclosed, very dirty area that has high traffic of jailed defendants coming in and out of court it would be a surreal experience for donald trump if he pushed the limits and he is pushing, hes getting hes on the yeah he he is pushing them, although he hasnt since the first set of penalties came down, made new violation. So theres that, but he keeps almost its more of a pr thing, saying that he wants to violate it, but not actually going that far because he knows where the leyen as well. You can say pr, but its really communicating to the electric i mean, sure donald trump, and fairness to him, it donald trump mentioned the constitution and i wouldnt go that far, but i would say that hes weighing hey, calculus between compliance with a gag order and the judges order versus his communication directly with the electorate. Thats the calculation of ram. And if if it comes to push to shove hell choose the electorate over incarcerated. I think thats what he said. He said today, but i dont fire prostitution to one side. Hes in a campaign. Hes a candidate, hes going to choose the electrode over lashes, say that he is talking every day. He talks to me every single day going into the court when he says that he hes barred from from being able to be out on the campaign trail on sunday, he went to the f1 race, he wasnt out on the campaign trail. He was in it was at f1. I mean, they could argue thats a campaign event, but the other aspect of this, when youre looking at donald trump and the judge did give him a little bit of a win. And when you read through the actual order today because he did not find trump in contempt for certain comments you made about Michael Cohen, their argument has been its protected political speech because Michael Cohen is going out and attacking him before he quieted down. So when a chump, when trump says the judge is so corrupt and unfair, those are the words he uses. The judge has actually been pretty straightforward, wouldnt you say, well, you know, i think tail anyway, weve said that weve previously comment about that. I mean, just everything. A lot of people on both sides of this. I said its sort of decided leon fair to allow a situation which you have a gag order where the witness that youre trying to protect us, the one out there talking and youre so theoretically not supposed to be able to talk about the same thing that hes talking about to the media and there was a voluntary pause. I understand. From Michael Cohen and he was right back at it again. Yeah. I think the judges sort of figured that out and i think explain it as being fair. Well, i think he he looked at that and i think i think that position with regard to that witness was partially indefensible, which is why had a course correction. Look lets go back to where you started. The judges in a difficult position to this is not an easy thing to have to handle. You can speak to the electorate, but you can in also follow the order. There are things to be clear that he can do. Life. Were only day simple. Well, im not suggesting that this let me finish my point. Thats right. When you talk about not semple, the bottom line, is there a certain things you cant do onto the gag order. We can all agree. You can attack the prosecutor, right. Mr. Bragg, de night, right . That is seems to me to be pretty clear and pretty simple. Say, you want, you could attack the judge de night. Say what you want. You could attack Biden De Night you cannot intimidate witnesses, you can attack the jury, you can attack family members. Whats not simple about that . Im not getting the bottom line is you can have your campaign, you can do what you need to do, but there are certain limitations that are necessary inappropriate to move forward and to protect witnesses, to protect families. And if you dont do that, there needs to be consequences and what those consequences are remain to be seen and jelly its so simple, its words on a page a court order is written. I mean, the judge will speak the order out and explain it, but you follow the order. You follow the words on the page its not a flippant thing to just not follow a court order and i dont know why donald trump expects that he is so special that he shouldnt have to follow the same kind of wondering issued by every court yet, but is much and hes a female, doesnt the, United States, so the part of the mice did not simple is what happens if the judge says donald trump, you have to go sit in jail for even a couple of hours and he tells Us Secret Service members dont touch me. I dont want them to touch me there are sworn to protect him. What happens then . Thats why its not simple. We dont know what the outcome of this is going to be, or what direction is going to go. But so i think the judges wisely trying to avoid because its possibly have had discussions regarding that issue. Right. This is not something theyre builtin content. Joe bidens is Justice Department has already weighed in with regard to what thats going to look like. I have i have news for you it happened right . Yeah. But i dont think thats political. If joe bidens Justice Department is or isnt wing and its a practical matter. I mean, the rate hes going ten violations, they have to have Contingency Plans in place. I understand that they even have a plan that if he was sent to a Prison Facility because of this that theyre gonna have someone tastes his food even. I mean, they think all these things out, its a really crazy, surreal situation. But getting back to the gag order is not a reason. Its not going to happen in the future back to the gag order. The gag order is not so simple because anytime a gag order starts to travel down the road of content, it is trouble. Now, i understand an absolute bar with regard to some things about what you can say and who you can say at about. But the difficulty get when you start carving up witnesses about which ones you can you can talk about and which ones you cant. Youre automatically getting into sort of controlling and the gag order controlling. You can be the exception from Michael Cohen, right . Because Michael Cohen was talking my but the judge doesnt have authority over Michael Cohen, right . I dont trump is the defendant in his courtroom and under his authority, he can say, you cant talk about when we talk about something, an interesting dynamic in the courtroom, because whats at the heart of this is the judge in what trump was found and content contempt up today was a comment he made about the jury when he claimed and Radio Interview that it was 95 democrats. Clearly, that is not a compliment coming from donald trump. I think we all understand what is intent was there, but what we learned today about what its like sitting in that courtroom and as the 12 jurors are, of course, seated there, they can see donald trump, but something that i learned tonight from a witness is that the witness themselves cant see donald trump that because of where they are seated and how the judges bench extends out past aware the witness is actually seeded that unless they lean forward pretty aggressively, they cannot actually make eye contact with donald trump. They only see the first attorney from his defense team right . Its the way the tables are set up i mean, its like a huge courtroom with High Ceilings the witness box is high up toward where the judge is. So if you have to look at an angle like youre saying, and donald trump is seated with all his attorneys at the defense table. If youre at the wrong angle, youre not going to see the defendant ive also seen reports similar to that that donald trump is craning his neck to see the witnesses who went on today because unlike other days, his eyes werent shut today. He was all attuned when his his Trump Organization employees were taking the stand there. Constitution requires that he see them. Yeah. Yeah. There wasnt aphasia doesnt it doesnt require that the witness has to see donald trump makes it different if a juries testifying oh, im sorry. I was a witness is testifying about someone directly they should be able to look at them. Right. Because the jury wants to see that interaction, especially like think about hope hicks. The jury wants to see if they make eye contact with her facial expressions or light. It. Donald trump is blue walked from her view, it takes away that component of it now thats what the jury cant really understand. Theyre missing a part of that relationship. And if she really is filling compassionate or sat that emotion has connected to looking at somebody in the eye is blocked. Another attorney in previous hours, were arthur hala. Were saying thats partly by design in this particular courtroom, that thats how all the case is tried in this courtroom. Are you cannot see the witness, cannot see the defendant that that actually might protect a witness in a way from any kind of intimidation that might occur. At the end of the day is that the case is about the merits of the testimony as elicited by the witnesses with respect to who you can see and cant see while it might be an issue for some discussion. The bottom line is, what exhibits are being put in. Does it prove up the case . Does it not . What are the witnesses testifying to . Does it meet the elements of the crime charged or does it not, et cetera, we could talk about the logistical seating arrangement im into the court de night. But when the judge gives the instructions to the jury with regard to their 34, counts, theyre going to delineate what the standard of proof visit cetera, what the prosecutor should have proof should have not. And thats what the jurors are going to deliberate on and make additional credibility. It may show some credibility of the witness if theyre truthful if i mean, crossexamination in my mind shows that when youre crossexamining a witness, the nature of their answers to your questions, whether or not they have the reliable information, whether they dont. Thats not predicated upon who they say. Its predicated upon how they respond to my question. I just dont. But youre a defense attorney. I think trying a case and seeing the energy between the witness and the defendant, and seeing those small impressions on a defendants face, ive had ive spoken to jurors after my client got convicted, and i said, what what happened, what was going on, and they said, you know, your client was glaring praying at the witness in the box the entire time and we didnt we didnt trust him. Those little interactions really add to the theater of it and give the jury some kind of Human Perspective on whats going on between those two people, the defendant and the witness, those small things. I shift. Where were you asked an important question . They kinda shift their eyes to look at the defendants, to see like are we are we together on this yesterday is not part of the Jury Instructions at the end of the de and i think limited to the volley between are nice questions and the answers that are given, not whether the defendant cranes is nac, whether he looks whether he looks the other way, thats not evidence. Yeah. I mean, theres the atmospherics and then there burden of proof and write their human beings in the jury box. Your word hey, what they see, your awareness is the right one a trial is theater. Yes every and above all else. That is why we have trials because thats what a trial was like and thats the Human Interaction that a jury provides to this in terms of evaluating whats happening right in front of them. And a lot of things are not in the Jury Instructions that doesnt make any difference. If you could just read deposition transcripts, right thats why we call upon juries to make this judge me, it always thanks a difference with the Jury Instructions. Everyone is a lot more to talk about ahead. Well talk about todays testimony, which gets to the heart of these charges against donald trump. Plus, theres Breaking News tonight on two fronts. We are getting word of explosions and gunfire at the Raffa Crossing In Gaza as Israeli Forces move in this, as hamas says, it has accepted a Ceasefire Deal brokered by outside nations were also getting word tonight that nasa and boeing have scrubbed what was supposed to be a historic launch over a technical issue. More details on that. I had the whole myth the reimagined feed, if you didnt know whether you were next they were both tied up . Yeah. Yeah. I was called in and i saw what turned out to be the biggest art heist history. 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And a source shared a document with cnn that puts some of the details of the proposal in public view and the first phase, hamas would release three hostages a week, specifically women, children, elderly, and the sick for six weeks, then they would release an additional 15 hostages in exchange, israel would have to gradually withdraw its forces from parts of gaza, stop all reconnaissance flights for ten hours a day, allow Free Movement non armed palestinians throughout the gaza strip and israel would have to release hundreds of palestinian prisoners, 30 palestinian women and children for every israeli hostage released by Hamas The First Phase would also allow for humanitarian aid to enter the region the specifics of that second phase, though, are still unclear, but the document that cnn reviewed said that it would include sustainable periods of calm in gaza for the release of the remaining hostages. That third phase would be a yearslong plan to rebuild gaza us officials are describing this as more of a Counter Proposal by hamas, given that it includes provisions that israel never agreed to joining me now is a Senior Fellow at the Foundation For Defense Of Democracies and the former idf spokesperson, retired Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Mann ruckus, also with us, the editor in chief and chief and ceo as a teo, mehdi hasan. I know you havent exclusive report about a letter that republican senators sent to the International Criminal court we will get to that in just a few minutes, but i want to ask you about this reporting about hamas saying publicly theyve agreed to a Ceasefire Deal but its really a Counter Proposal that they that includes elements they know israel never agreed to. So it was this some kind of Propaganda Effort by hamas to say, were at the table were agreeing to something the reporting we have says that yes, it was an egyptian qatari proposal, that the americans were involved in two avi to see to bill burns has been involved in this these rayleighs apparently were on board until of course, hamas agreed. And then the Israelis Bluff was called and now theyre saying, well, we dont agree to this proposal because we want to free the hostages even no, the proposal would help free the hostages and i just second, hes really newspaper. I just want to i just want to add a one bit of information i think is critical here. The part that israel didnt agree to is that the part that calls for a permanent end to the war . And i think this is really what is at issue here that israel has never agreed to that and that maybe this is a Counter Proposal. But that means essentially that everybody has to get back to the table and agreed to what is on the table now yeah, but let me just say in what world is hamas going to say were going to release all the hostages, then you carry on killing us. Obviously outside world america, western countries has been wanting a cease fire for a while. We were told hamas was the obstacle, and now theyre calling israels block the reality is that the obstacle to a hostage deal has always been benjamin netanyahu. And those are not my words. Those are the words of home ruben sign the former spokesperson for the hostages family, who told these really press last week that netanyahu has been the obstacle. He says that they found that there was a deal on the table back on october 9th, 10th, to get hostages released, but netanyahu hidden from them. Those are the words of the spokesperson for the israeli families of the hostages. And he hit it from them because he knows that if he agrees to it a hostage deal, his fascist colleagues in his Coalition Government will collapse as government. This is israeli domestic politics. Lieutenant colonel. What about that . I mean, if the hostages are all released shouldnt israel seriously consider Ending Hostilities in gaza and allowing for a political settlement that leads to the future yeah, im listening to the second edition of matthew hassans monologue that i saw earlier. And its not surprising that your parenting hamas Talking Points really the lets put things here in perspective. We have a terrorist organization that abducted civilians and soldiers the other one funds for the last four months have been refusing any deal that israel, the us, qatar, egypt, and others have put forward. And now when push comes to shove and when they see israeli tanks lined up on their way to refer all of a sudden they are agreeing, theyre agreeing to something that wasnt on the table. And its quite absurd that this is even how its covered and its classic deception, oneonone by an organization that is very savvy in deception and unfortunately has figureheads and mouth pieces all over western media doing their work, whether its on jesse or other places and getting that message out that israel is the problem when israeli civilians and soldiers are the ones that have been abducted. I let betty has respond to that so i think all of your viewers saw me quote, the spokesperson for the israeli hostages families, and the kernel then said, im Parroting Hamas talk kim points. Hes, hes referring to the hostages families as hamas as Parroting Hamas Talking Points because i quoted them, i didnt quote hamas. In fact, tonight, the kernel knows that hundreds of people went to netanyahus house and screamed, you have blood on your hands. Israeli protesters i guess theyre all hamas, right . The israeli position now is anyone who disagrees with them is hamas. Im guessing tomorrow theyll say see either to bill burns who was involved in this hostage negotiation deal, hes hamas to everyones hamas and ask for deception i mean, come on the colonel was a spokesperson for the idf, which has spent the last six months. Leyen, abby, your network has debunked the belies that the Israeli Military has told cnn is jeremie diamonds. I urge all your view is to go and watch your colleague, Jeremy Diamonds report on ten kids killed in the Alma Ghazi Refugee Camp last month. These really said we have nothing to do with it. And yet jeremie interviewing three Munitions Experts who looked at the evidence said, yeah, israel killed those ten kids. So when we talk about deception were learning from the masters here. Lieutenant colonel, the Hostage Families are urging the government at this 0. 2 come forward and release the hostages as part of some kind of deal one of the things that the families have sad is that they feel like they are being abandoned how do you respond to that given that there are opportunities, it seems to take a deal that would stop the fighting in exchange for getting their loved ones Lieutenant Colonel, im not sure you could hear me. Can you hear me now i think, were going to try to get him back, but many i do want to get back to one other aspect of this, which is from israels perspective, they want to make sure that hamas is not in a position to ever attack them. Again. I think you would agree that thats a reasonable position for them to have so hostages all being returned. If they say thats not enough i mean, hamas, it seems like shouldnt be in a position to be dictating the terms of their own surrender in a war that they started so its a good question. I mean, its a reasonable goal. Of course it is. But if you dont want hamas to be in a position to attack you again, maybe you shouldnt energize and embolden hamas this entire conflict has turned palestinians and the entire region against israel. Its made israelis less safe, not more safe. Its obviously killed Tens Of Thousands of Palestinians Israel has a right to say, okay, we dont want to be attacked again, but at what cost . 34,000 palestinians dead, Tens Of Thousands more under the rubble 14. 5 thousand children dead, 1. 2 Million People hiding out in raffa. Now being told to move to be relocated 600,000 children. Ill be unicef say you cannot move 600 thousand children, many of whom are sick, wounded, malnourished. They say it will be a catastrophe. There is no safe zone to go to. Its the most orwellian phrase that is rarely spokespersons use. There is nowhere safe in gaza. So of course, israel wants to reasonably not be attacked again. But doing this doesnt work, and its morally unsustainable. It looks like we have jonathan could wreak is back. Lieutenant colonel, i do want to talk about this raffa invasion that seems to be on the horizon here. Our colleague are acre vdd is reporting that sources tell him that Israeli Forces arent gonna take over the palestinian side of the raffa crossing between egypt and gaza. Were already seeing what seems like bombs falling there tonight why is israel doing this when they know that there is no safe place as mary was saying, four civilians to go and raffa, the place that initially these really government told them to go yeah, i would take everything that my respect that calling to the panel here says with a lot of pinches of salt, lots of untruth was said when i was on air and all and i wont to give them credibility by repeating them. What ill say is this laptops is a place where hamas and own law has told people to go the sad reality and gaza is that hamas uses these civilians as Human Shields and doesnt leave is well with any other Auction Books to ask people to leave now its all its doing that out of concern. For human life and their Safety Tenant kernel, i have to stop you there because the idf told gausian civilians to move to the south. Raffa was the only safe place for supposedly safe place for them to go. So this is not about unrwa. This is actually where they are going because the rest of the country is in rebel. So where are they supposed to go now right . So there are various locations in gaza, a few miles north east of afaf and northwest of close to her newness. Where they can go and hopefully they will go and i agree, i take thank the point that it is a harsh environment and not an Ideal Environment for anybody to live in. I wouldnt want to be there to be frank. But the sad reality is that responsibility for this situation lies on hamas, his shoulders, and i think that if we detach ourselves from agendas and ideas and israel hatred and if we look at the situation so from a, lets say youre more clean perspective, what choice that is. Well have. What choice does israel have in order to defend its civilians in their homes promise is allowed to continue to exist, to store weapons, and to prepare for the next attack. Then it is only a matter of time before these attacks will come and those so not my words, mesto, those are the words of hamas leaders who say that we will do october 7 again and again until we reach tel aviv and jerusalem. I dont think that is what should allow that to happen. And if it means sadly, moving people around before Combat Stalls and making sure that they are safer, not saying but safer away from house way by Telegraphing Israeli intentions, then i think that it is a very humane thing to do. We have mass sadly must be defeated. We do, i do need to, i need to move on, but i just want to say one thing. I mean, this is not a question of hating israel. Its a question of the reality on the ground, which is that there theres already a humanitarian catastrophe unfolding in gaza, and theres no question that trying to move it over 1 Million People in short period of times is not going to be something that is feasible. But i have to get to your reporting and i do want to talk wrong. I do want to talk i dont agree. And that has been proven oh you dont agree that theres a few Mediterranean Task strophe occurring, right now. I dont know. I dont agree that it cannot be done because i didnt say that its the same leinz that were told this for the same things that were told to israel before it will start at its invasion of gaza city. And believe me, i answered that Question Hundreds if not thousands of times, and we were it was alleged that this was tantamount to walk crime that we were asking people to move when in fact, it was possible 900,000 out of a median 0. 1 key di intentionally moved and its saved a lot within. And. I think thats the same talking being now by the same hamas mouthpieces, matter, you could go ahead so nbc news reported last month, abby, thats seven different airstrikes from israel took place in what were designated a safe zones by israel. Palestinians were told to go to save zones by israel and then kill filled in those safe zones by israel. Thats reporting from nbc news, but im sure the kernel would say theyre hamas as well. Everyone who disagrees with the kernel is hamas. And by the way, hes quoting a hamas spokesman, none of us like cms, but lets quote someone on his side, the liquid Party International vice chairman, party. He said he said a couple of days ago, the liquid party vice chair, can you can respond to this quote, the likud party vice chair, International Vice chair set on israeli tv a couple of days ago, there are no uninvolved civilians and raffa know there are no innocent people and refer 1. 2 million no innocent people. And we should go in. These are his words kill, and kill, and kill sounds pretty genocidal to me, kendall, do you agree with that . I agree that those are comments that are horrible and shouldnt be thought and shouldnt be said. And im happy that you dont have to explain the likud party or whoever that is that your sourcing and i dont havent heard the quote, but i can tell you what the Chief Of Staff the guy that is is responsible for the use of force in girls and he speaks relentlessly about not killing civilians and he gives orders not to kill Civilians Division 18,000 to apply this distinction and to apply proportionality. And speaking about safe zones yesterday for soldiers were killed when mortars were fired from a from a safe zone at israeli soldiers. And im sure that its not wouldnt bother you too much that for soldiers are killed, but they were killed, fired from a safe zone happened yesterday. I dont have an msn. We see ripple to quote it, but it happened nevertheless all right, guys. I have to leave it there. Many you have some really important reporting about a letter from republican lawmakers to the icc about the possibility of Arrest Warrants for israelis as it relates to war crimes. You can go onto the Tails Website to find that reporting unfortunately, we are out of time here. Mehdi hasan Jonathan Mann, rekha. Thank you both for an important conversation well, thank you. Thank you. 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And so this was what happened in response to brass tacks. Were right now on the actual documents. Right. So what happened . Prosecutor asked the following question. What if you cut a check from the dj t account . Did mr. Trump have to sign the check because mr. Weasel berg, of course, hes the chief Financial Officer or was approved. It witness answers. No. If he didnt want to sign it, he didnt sign it. Prosecutor then asked, did you ever see situations where he didnt sign checks witness . Yes prosecutor than asks abby what would happen in those situations . Witness tarasoff, the accountant, he would write void on it and send It Back Prosecutor than asks, how do you know he would write void on it . Answer by the account ms tarasoff, it was signed in a sharpie and black that is what he usually uses. Okay. So this is significant because now were getting into hardcore evidence, right . Remember its about the Business Records, the legend heres the invoices, the checks you have an accountant here who ultimately who deals with these issues. And this is significant because it goes to Donald Trumps knowledge or intent if you believe it, he took his sharpie pen might have been in the white house, and he ultimately sign the checks, the xhat demonstrate his knowledge. Does that demonstrate he was part of the conspiracy . Heresy. Does that demonstrate that he was engaged and falsifying Business Records to conceal and other crime. Thats a jury question, but we had hard evidence more than a jury question. It wasnt dealt with really, that part was not dealt with. However, i mean, i thought it was very significant not that he signed the check, but that there were checks that he didnt sign and that if he didnt want to make a payment, he just wouldnt do it right. And there was a lot of talks from his two employees today that everything went through him very consistent with hizon even david packer from the National Enquirer said Donald Trumps and mike for a manager. And the prosecution dont forget, even though the prosecution goes first, abby this is their witness. Its Donald Trumps employee, but theyre calling the witness because they have to establish this chain of getting in the Business Records into the case. Like joey said, its 34 counts of falsifying Business Records. But the details that are coming out from these witnesses were very significant today. For example, the checks being paid back to Michael Cohen from january to December Of 2017 when trump was already in the white house, when the Trump Organization process the check for donald trump to sign from his own personal account, the donald j. Trump account. They would fedex the checks to the white house and then they would be sent back to the Trump Organization for processing. Whats unusual here. And i think maybe the jury might be thinking this and its intentional on the part of the prosecutors why is donald trump paying Michael Cohen 35,000 a month for 12 months while hes president of the United States, what are those services that Michael Cohen is providing . And the whole crux of the cases that those were allegedly Services Provided for the Hush Money Payments to Stormy Daniels before the election . Now hes allegedly getting reimbursed after the election at different amounts, and thats part corn with his his attorney there. Thats not in dispute. So its not a legal to pay your attorney is also not a legal for those checks to go out. What has to be illegal is the ledgers. What was indicated on those checks, and we got right up to the door and it didnt close. Its not illegal to pay your attorney retainer fee right now. The issue is, was this a retainer fee or was it knowledge that you were reimbursing your attorney that you directed to pay hush money. Thats the issue. And thats what the jury is going to decide. This is not done. We dont have an answer to that though, right . Well, we may have reasonable occurrences from the facts. What is the he president of the United States doing, taking his personal account, paying his lawyer specific money from that account on a monthly basis noted as reimbursement reimbursement for what what specific Legal Services that you perform that would justify that payment or was it because you had knowledge that you were giving him a bunch bonus because he was doing your bidding at your behest paying off a point. But even that is not illegal in Business Documents that is the legal part where we dont have that in front of you on this are we sitting there quietly and the answer here is three two questions where there are no, no and no and i mean, youre right. I mean, i good luck with a Prosecution Case Arguing Inferences from the Volitional Act of the ceo of the company signing the checks you know i just know its but theres more than that. Okay. Is this mic talk about that . It was a Retainer Agreement. This came out today and i think this is a big deal. Okay. Michael cohen every month, again from january to December Of 2017, sent an invoice by email to the Trump Organization that said pursuant to the retailer fair agreement. Heres my invoice for Services Rendered in the following month. And the bookkeeper describe the whole process we have to have an invoice. We dont pay unless theres an invoice. But the das office has already signaled and put out there that there is no Retainer Agreement that information was actually contained in the di as of fact that was issued on April 4 Of 2023 when the case for got indicted. There is no Retainer Agreement. Ever do remember that. And the argument would be that this was a scheme to conceal the arrangement. I mean, if it didnt if it had been an arrangement for a Confidentiality Agreement made in a really transparent way. We wouldnt be here. I get the Scheme Argument and i get the fact that its happened or coconspirator floating around the part that the prosecution has to prove thats nice, except that none of those people are on trial. The only person whos on trial is donald trump and less, as you suggest, they can prove that donald trump has that intent. They dont have it. They thats what theyve got approved. Thats what theyve got approved now that way of proving it that parts not there, were 12 days into this thing. No. I understand that we are ten days probably. Yes. All im saying so were were not there. I think its coming. Weve got a couple of weeks. They said maybe i thank you. And i think evidence is pretty must have missed it no, no and no mightve been yes. Yes. Yes . It was a panel night. My good panel. 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It happened with the astronauts already on board and ready to fly. I want to go straight to cnns kristen fisher, who is at Cape Canaveral tonight kristen, i heard you saying earlier today, pick other everything looked ago and now this what happened i know so believe it or not, abbey, this scrub head, nothing to do with boeing. It had to do with United Launch Alliance is rocket. So the way this works, you have the Boeing Starliner or spacecraft on the very top. Thats that gum drop shaped capsule. Were astronauts, which will more and Sunny Williams are or were tonight and that is whats actually being tested in this test light. But tonight, the problem was with the ul, a rocket, the atlas five that propels the Boeing Starliner into orbit and whats so bizarre here is that this is a tried and true rocket. Its flown 100 missions where this would have been its 100th flight. So you wouldnt necessarily think that thats where the problem would arise tonight on a night with Pitch Perfect weather but hey, that space. So theres a Press Conference on going what we learned is that the issue was with a faulty oxygen relief valve, the way it was described as a valve on your home water tank that vince gas. Theres a problem with that. Theyre going to try again tomorrow. Abby, but it might be a delay of several more days if they have to actually go up and replace that valve me while a testament to the checks and balances that are in place to make sure that everything is exactly what it should be going up into space first and fisher, thank you very much for that. Thank you for watching news night. Laura coates picks up our Special Coverage next welcome to the world of spycraft garage, glued to the action. 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