Board chairman, fred ryan. [applause] good evening everyone. I name is don hi bush and i had the honor of being the executive director of the Ronald Reagan president ial foundation and institute. Thank you all for coming this evening. If you would in honor of our men and women in uniform who protect our freedoms around the world please stand and join me for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, please be seated. Before we get started i would like to take a moment to recognize some special guests we have with us this evening and i will begin with our board of trustees. We have with us governor pete wilson and his terrific wife, gail. [applause] from North Carolina mr. Bennett sutton. [applause] former congressman retired but just as busy as ever alton [inaudible] and his wife janet. [applause] so now on to tonights program, ladies and gentlemen it is my honor to invite fred ryan, chairman of the board of trustees of the Reagan Foundation and institute to our state stage. [applause] good evening, welcome to the Reagan Library. Thank you for joining us for what we know will be a fascinating conversation. We are honored to have as our special guest this evening justice neil gorsuch, it is generally understood that after eagle to Senate Hearings to be confirmed to the serene court you never have to answer questions again that you dont want to. [laughter] instead, you get to ask the questions. But just discourse which we appreciate you making an exception for this evenings interview. [laughter] i promise i will do my best to make it a better experience in the Senate Judiciary committee. Thats a low bar, i know. [applause] if you have seen a copy of justice scorches book you will note that he had two collaborators, his former clerks jane and david and we are pleased to have david in the audience with us tonight. David, where are you . And we are honored that david is joined by his grandmother who was very special to us, vera who is been a docent at the Reagan Library for more than 20 years. [applause] i would say you should never underestimate the power and influence of our docents, they can bring a Supreme Court justice to the Reagan Library. David and vera are not just his only links to Ronald Reagan. In 1993 and in 94 just discourse which served as a clerk to Supreme CourtJustice Anthony kennedy who was president reagans third and final appointment to the high court. Twentythree years later just discourse which would become the first clerk to serve alongside his former boss as a fellow Supreme Court justice. David, i hope you are taking notes. Through this lineage today is a Supreme Court reflects the reagan legacy. It was no secret what president reagan wanted that legacy to be. Americas courts he said, should interpret the law, not make it the role of the Supreme Court in his view was to quote, make sure that principles of law are based on the constitution. Just discourse it neil book is a users manual for the faithful interpretation of our constitution. It is also a wakeup call about what we might risk if we stray too far from our constitutional principles. The title of Justice Gorsuch book is a republic, if you can keep it and that phrase is how Benjamin Franklin is said to answer citizens questions about what type of government the founders had created at the constitutional convention. With his response franklin was trying to convey just how fragile our constitutional liberties are and how vigilant our citizens must be to preserve them. Its a same caution president reagan urged in his famous line, freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. During tonights conversation we look forward to learning what americas courts and citizens can do to preserve our constitutional freedom for the next generation. Ladies and gentlemen, join me in welcoming justice neil corset. [applause] [applause] just discourse which we are delighted and honored to have you here on the date of publication of your book back i am so happy to be west of the mississippi, i cant [laughter] thank you for having me. Its something ive been looking forward to. Ive never been to this museum and its been a treat. Can you show a little bit of that . To say that was unexpected, doesnt begin to capture how it felt to me and my family. Ive got a few stories to tell but ill share one. Not only do we have to sneak out of our hometown in colorado, and the white house and they took us into the kitchen and you probably know this better than i do, their scars from the war of 1812. Bullet holes and fire burned. The president was question enough to mind me the use of the lincoln bedroom as an office for the day. While. That evening, at a desk, the gettysburg address was, the president gave my wife, who is an immigrant from england, the use of the queens bedroom across the hall. She was allowed one phone call. [laughter] it had to be someone back in england, it couldnt be in america, she called her dad. Dad, you wont believe it, its going to be neil. Its about to happen. He said honey, ive stayed up late in england. It was evening announcement. He said, ive been watching your Television Programs over here and theres another fellow dear friend of mine with a call on tape driving toward washington, so its not going to be neil. [laughter] she said but dad, ive in the queens bedroom, i think its going to be neil. [laughter] she said, he said but honey, the other type would be down the hall. [laughter] thats a bit of a feel what it was all like. Leaving your home in colorado was also a bit of an operation. It was. I tell that story in the book but what really followed from a big change for me and a shock was the loss of anonymity. Peacefully and happily colorado and all of a sudden, everywhere, i would be recognized. I must say, everyone who comes up to me, they have something nice to say. [applause] against the president but i wish you well, i love our country, i love our courts and constitution. If im looking particularly for low on that day, they might tell me a joke. [laughter] one moment that captured it for me was, i was taking planes back and forth all the senators, washington, i didnt know about that, i didnt bring enough closing. On the way back and forth, and feeling sorry for myself, no good reason, im the luckiest guy i know but we were in the plane and there was a bit of turbulence, i was sitting next to a little girl. Probably six years old. She didnt know or care who i was but she was scared and wanted to hold someones hand. She asked me, may i hold your hand . I said, of course. It reminded me of my girl at the age. Then the flights without and she said, would you like to draw . [laughter] we spent the next two and a half hours drawing and coloring. [laughter] it was probably my favorite two and a half hours. [laughter] [applause] sweetheart was that afterwards, after that happy moment of anonymity, mother had been behind us and i didnt know that. She had recognized me. She made sure i think you note was sent to my office two weeks later in a restaurant by that little girl. Stick figures in an airplane. [laughter] saying thank you for the fun. But, to me, is what america is about. That is what i got to see when i lost my anonymity from god takes something away, he often gives you something in return. Thats what i got to see, real privilege. [applause] you did a previous book on a different subject but could you tell us what inspired you to write this book and especially the selection of the franklin quote. Confirmation process, i wanted to Say Something about america and the constitution and the judge is reported as a confirmation process that changed a little bit. Back when president reagan nominated Justice Scalia to the court, my predecessor, the great man smoked a pipe during his hearing. [laughter] before the senate. [laughter] i dont think we will see that again. Byron white, one of my clerks, a justice from colorado, his hearing lasted 15 minutes. Thats about how long my hearing lasted in the court of appeals when i was nominated for the first time. Second time was a little different. [laughter] during that process, i came to feel that some basic things about our country, we need some reminders. We all do. About the wonder of our constitution, how blessed we are to live under it. How all of us have a role to play in our republic, its not supposed to be run by a small group, its we the people, close of the first three words of the constitution. I became concerned during this process that some people think judges are just like politicians, capes rather than robes. We away from just like that kind of person we rule against. All that was so foreign to my lived expense as a lawyer and the judge, morris i admire, the judges i had admired, they know that law is not politics. The judges are not supposed to be politicians. Our constitution is the greatest charter of human liberty than was ever known. Its a great privilege to do nothing more than uphold it and pass it on to the next generation. Thats what i wanted to write about. Thats my experience in the flock. Or to offer folks little peek of my life in the court and how a judge thinks so you can see for yourself how different it is a politician. Politicians are elected to do your will. Judges are not elected and the job is to exercise legal judgment, not well. Its right there in the papers. Thats not what i want to talk about. [applause] when i dug into it further, i came to learn that we do have a problem, 30 of americans from only 3 can name the three branches of government. About a third, another third to name one, 10 of americans apparently think they serve in the United States of Supreme Court. You know her as a judge judy. [laughter] i respect judge judy, i like judge judy. [laughter] but shes not one of my colleagues. [laughter] so i wanted to talk about this and another stepbrother, before we do, i was joyfully able to do it with two of my wonderful law clerks. Weber david is here, jamie is not but let me break on him for ten seconds. This young man comes from mexican immigrants and holocaust survivors. He can achieve his dream, he attended law school. He graduated first in his class at harvard. [applause] jamie is every bit of special. Her family escaped communism. Czechoslovakia. She came here, degrees in statistics and physics and made her way through Harvard Law School as well as david. Both me and sonia. Those are the people for whom i write this book. Joyfully able to work with, and they gave me such hope for the future. [applause] thank you. [applause] both of them served as your law clerks and i know you have simple rules that you give your law clerks. Could you share those with us . The judges role in the constitution, they are fairly simple. If you do these two things, where going to get along just fine this year. I dont care how you come dressed to work or how he worked but, i would like to see you from time to time. [laughter] i just have two rules. First, dont make anything up. Just follow the law as faithfully as you can. Thats the judges job. Help me with that. Thats hard enough, figuring out what the law is. What those words on the page mean, with their original meaning was in applying them, thats hard. Rule number two, when people start yelling, asking, begging to make stuff up. Telling you are a terrible person if you dont make stuff up. Telling you worst of all, they might not invite you to their cocktail parties. [laughter] just refer back to rule number one. [laughter] [applause] looking into your book, one of the major themes is the framers vision of separated powers. The dangers during those wines of separation, can you talk about why thats so important . We all know our First Amendment rights, Fourth Amendment right, we know the bill of rights and how they contribute to our liberty but i sometimes wonder if we dont appreciate enough separation of powers and how important it is to our liberty. Many countries have wonderful bills of rights. North korea is my favorite. [laughter] it promises our bill of rights, every one of them education, healthcare and even my favorite, a right to relaxation. [laughter] i dont know how thats working out for the Political Prisoners in north korea but madison knew this when he wrote the constitution, those were just promises. He didnt even think we needed a bill of rights if we got the constitution and structure and separation of powers right. He knew men are not angels and the kid liberty is keeping power separated. One ninth of one third of the federal government, which is one half of the government in the country. Divide power. What happens when we ignore the separations of power . It sometimes forgotten. I know its kind of academic and wonky and it did to me when i learned has also and was bored by it. As a judge, i spent a judge a while, especially in day in and day out cases, i came to see what happens when you blur the lines of separation of power in real peoples lives. I can offer a couple of examples, so what happens when the legislative power, how to make new laws is transferred to the executive branch . Its supposed to be public process houses of congress, responses at different times. The whole idea was to make the legislative process so they could accept special power to protect themselves. Thats how he thought minority rights would be protected multiple. More than the bill of rights. What happens when you take that process and put it in the hands of the executive branch . This is supposed to apply the law, enforce the law, not make the lock. If you can make it through this difficult process, it should be vigorously enforced so would put all power in one persons hands. Right . The president. So what happens when you take out 435 elected representatives and put one person in its place . Its for years. I want to exaggerate but what happens when power is delegated . You have cases like Small Business in colorado, mom and pop type operation, provides nursing care, inhome nursing care. Its a good size business. They get accused by the federal government of medicare for all, thats none of your business. There find 800. It later turned out that they complied with all rules in place at the time the agency was promulgating so many new rules, boss, enforceable that even the agency couldnt keep up. I asked, how many of these criminal regulations are out there on the books, written by federal agents . Sometimes not even responsive to the president at all and they said academics stop counting many years ago when they got to over 300,000. Right . Thats one example. What happens when the power to judge is transferred to the executive branch . I have veterans who come before me, immigrants who come before me, when i look at the law, they win. They deserve to win. We have doctrines that say no, that judges should defer the interpretation of the law by an executive bureaucrat. So, even though i think the pattern should win, immigrants should win from Social Security benefit recipient should went, i have to rule the other way. That happens to your right with an independent judge. What happens to your right to participate in the homemaking process . Its supposed to be republic. Speaking of the three branches, you feel three branches are coequal . I hope so,. Do they always instantly maintain the same role or overtime, is one more powerful than the other . One can question by virtue, what happened in our world from a lot more power has devolved in the executive branch and they had in mind. A lot of the legislative power has moved to the executive branch and a lot of judicial power has moved to the executive branch. Early in the book, you introduce two important concepts, one regionalism the application and two, textualism interpretation of statutes. Can you give us a summary explanation of what these concepts mean and why they are important . Now we are really getting funky. [laughter] yes, this is very important to me. The term has not been uttered by any of my professors at law schools until Justice Scalia showed up one day to give a lecture and he introduced it to me. Its not something i fully embraced or understood until years later and became a judge. Its really a simple idea, simple. The judges should abide the words on the page as they were originally understood at the time they were adopted. The truth is, the judges have always, when it comes to written loss, statutes or contract, felt the role was to apply those words as they originally were meant and understood at the time they were written. Our founders decided on us constitution, thats what they put down about the put it down on paper, they set down your rights and obligations on paper. They didnt choose to pleaded to evolve. If you want to change it, prescribed the process of the amendment process that directed by we the people. Not anyone else. So it honest, i think the readiness of our constitution, they could have done it otherwise, they knew the english practice of the unframed constitution, they rejected that. I came to see it again and new cases real lives what happens when judges ignore or override the original meaning of the words on the page and said to pursue something called a living constitution. The judge, i came to see when we go that route, your rights are often taken away. The ones that are on that on the page to be found. Let me give a couple of examples. The sixth amendment, is as you have a right to a jury trial, criminal cases. Right to confront your accuser accusers, it doesnt take a scientist to figure out what those words mean in most cases. The Supreme Court in living constitutions decision over the years set your rights were sometimes his way into judge instead can price your case. Your rights diminished. Sometimes, you dont have a right to confront your accuser. Sometimes a piece of paper written by a Police Officer can be introduced as a key evidence against you, enough to send a person awake for 20 years or more. The most infamous decisions of the criminal courts took rights away from the japaneseamericans citizens could be rounded up and detained during the second world war. Without any due process without any recognition of equal protection obligation in our constitution. Judges thought they were doing something important, final, keep the peace. Help the war effort, living constitution, they ignore the words on the page. Okay, not only do they take things away, they put things in there that are not there. The most infamous example, ben scott, the first case in the Supreme Court, it eradicated from constitution, he said white persons on the right to own black persons as slave the territories of the u. S. I was guaranteed by the fifth amendment due process. Steer that as long as you want, its not there. They put it there. They thought they were doing something correct. They thought wellintentioned, they thought they were averting civil work. But heres a little secret. Judges make rotten politicians. They start exercising will rather than legal judgment, they got it wrong, of course they wound up intruding to civil war. For me, regionalism is about recognizing all people in washington, i just had a birthday, i can say that. [laughter] they were never supposed to govern the continental nation 330 million americans. Thats not what they had in mind, its a republic and its for you to keep. Some critics say that you cannot accommodate important Supreme Court decisions like brown in schools, can you explain how decisions are previewed progressive . My friend, Michael Mcconnell has been the definitive article on brown versus board of education and why it fits with the original meaning of the constitution. Im a subscriber to that. To me, look at the 14th a moment, as has equal protection of the laws. I have over my fireplace in my office, John Marshall harlan, the first just harlem. There were two. He recognized segregation is not be consistent with the original meaning of contradiction. He looks tired and haggard and i dont doubt hes unpopular back home in kentucky where he was from. But he knew segregation was on protection of the laws. The meaning of those words on the page equal protection of laws, that must be one of the most radical guarantees in all history. The notion that regionalism yelled conservative results takes us back to buggy days, i say rubbish. [laughter] s terms that i wrote, a great originalist on conservatism the original meaning of the constitution . You better. Does that lead to politically liberal result . Doesnt have any political balance at all. For example, youre right to have your cell phone data kept private, and originalist in the decision might very well be protective of their rights the the living constitutionalist. Double jeopardy. Ruth bader skinner big was the only one in an important this year. [applause] i wrote a decision this year upholding that right. That liberal, i dont know but i know its the sixth amendment. People have been telling that line. In the book, he discussed the First Amendment as well as the spirit of original content, why do the founders agree press freedom was essential to the success of our republic . I think i thought all of the freedoms were essential, i wouldnt say its my role to pick or choose among from. You may have your favorites right these days. Its pretty high on the list. About is but my job is to enforce all your rights and not pick favorites. You think to 30 years after the First Amendment, other were inaccurate, its been recognized . I think youre doing a pretty good job. Its not bad institution, its a fine institution made up of wonderful people. My colleagues are delightful. The rule of law in this country i think is indeed strong. In a people like to focus on troubles of the day or this or that case but sometimes we need to step back and not focus on the forest for the trees. When you have the rule of law, let me give you a few facts that you want here probably in headlines that alone. There are about 50 million lawsuits filed in this country every year, and im not counting speeding tickets. [laughter] we are pretty ticklish bunch. We always have been. Part of the american spirit. [laughter] the federal system, 95 of those cases are resolved by the Court Without appeal. I will send a lawyer a long time, looking away. You help people solve their problems. I often have clients unhappy with the results. Fair enough but they accepted it as reasonably just. They had their chance to say their part, they were hurt, listened to. They accepted it. Thats powerful. 5 of the cases wound up going to court, like the tenth circuit. We sit in panels of three, anything the least one of them. 20 of the u. S. , mild court two times and the court on any metric you want to pick, i served with obama all the way back to johnson. We were able to reach unanimity the three of us, the 5 of the cases appealed from 95 of the time, okay. Say what about the Supreme Court . I think do you realize we hear 70 cases a year . Those of the hardest cases in the country and their whether or court disagreed on the underlying real issue. The people in california have the same rights and freedoms of loss has people in york. And everywhere in between. Okay, that is our job, resolve circuit splits, as we call them. Seventy cases out of 50 million. Think about that. Think about the reliability, predictability, the fairness of our rule of law, it is incredible. Now lets deal with those 70. All right. There are nine of us, not three anymore. Pointed over about 25 or 30 years, five different ones. All across the country, the bills we are continuing to represent. [laughter] all right, fine. Out of the 70 cases, about 40 are resolved unanimously. Do you ever hear about that . 40 . If you think happens magically, heck no. Many doesnt even agree on where to go to lunch. [laughter] yet, we managed to reach that through hard work. Mutual respect and a little bit of fun along the way, too. Ive got some good stories i could share. All share one in a minute. So people say fine, what about the 40 for year, what about the others . That number has been more or less the same since the second world war. The only thing thats new, nothing is new. Back then, president roosevelt appointed eight of the nine justices. You would think we could have. We are independent judges, what about the others . Talk about the 54. They make about 35 to 33 and that number has been consistent since the second world war. Nothing to get excited about here. People say they break down on them, heck no. This last term, there were ten different combinations of justices and five for decisions. Thats what i have to say about that. How to get there . You want to hear a story . I would love to hear about your colleagues on the court. Ive got a couple of good ones. What makes this work is Mutual Respect and sometimes fun. We shook hands every time we meet, it goes back to the 19th century. We have lunch together, not everybody but theres lunch in the lunch room together, argument days and conference days. If you look at our calendar, thats a lot of days. We got to dinner together normal people. Last month we have some fun and we break traditions once in a while. One came in one day after a particular good run and she had pinstripes. [laughter] the new york yankees had one on her chest and we are getting ready to walk out and some of my colleagues are like, surely going to walk out like that . We get lined up to go out somebody says, are you going to really go out there like that . She said no, but i was waiting for somebody to ask. [laughter] [laughter] another one, we have a tradition of the junior justice for the next new justice of the Supreme Court justice kagan, through just a fabulist dinner for me and she she left indian food and he happen to know a great indian chef and he came in and cooked us up a storm. It was fantastic. So i had tough road home when Justice Kavanaugh came on board and ive known and admired Justice Kavanaugh for 40 years. I want to throw a good party. I also knew meat and potatoes kind of guy. [laughter] s of the dinner was going to be boring. [laughter] so i had to do something in the entertainment department. After dinner, i asked everybody to get up from the dinner table and come down to the great hall entertainment. I suspect they were thinking there was a strange thing down there. Missus kavanaugh is a huge baseball fan and Washington National mascots of these president s and they have giant foam heads, like 12 feet tall or something, its crazy. Wonderful assistant, jessica went online last month we hired two of them and, as everyone walked into the great hall, i handed the chiefs justice flag and we had a race. [laughter] wasnt sure how that one was going to go over. I figured it was better to ask for forgiveness than permission on that one. [laughter] i cant resist going back to your 50 million cases being filed, is that mean have too many lawyers in america . [laughter] well, access to justice, i do worry when lawyers graduate law school, unable to afford, lawyers are way too expensive. It takes way too long to get to trial. When you get there, you dont get a im a big believer injuries. Then look at how many flaws are in the books today. Some say anyone over the age of 18 may be a federal criminal, doing something to break some criminal federal law. I worry about access to justice. Two very important subjects he talked about in the book citizenship and devoted. I want to ask a couple questions about this, your book reflects on new citizens and the role they play in strengthening our democracy of value shared by president reagan how your expenses as a judge take your views on the subject . Is the husband of a naturalized citizen. I worry when i read 60 of americans would fail the naturalization exam my wife had to take when only 30 of millennials think its important to live in a democra democracy. I applaud groups like the president ial libraries and others trying to do something about civic understanding because i dont know how you run this government if you dont know anything about this government and if you dont ca care. When i talk to young people who say its not important to live in a democracy and citizen of the world they often tell me last month im torn if by that they mean that i recognize and respect the dignity of each person, im with you one 100 . But if youre telling me theres nothing special about the United States of america, the constitution has been decreased, our republic, id ask you to think again. I think weve been given an incredibly special gift in our constitution. Jefferson said if you expect and ignorant people to be able to maintain a republic, but something that never was in history and never will be. The truth is, republics are fragile things, special things. They have a checkbook record in the court of history. They dimmed quickly. Hours already the longest lived written National Constitution in history. We need to make sure young people, all of us, this is a criticism of anyone from electrical the arms. All of us recognize that yes, we have our problems, not here to tell you we dont. Both also got a great gift, we all have an obligation to make sure everyone in this country realizes they have the great gift and they have a responsibly that comes with that gift. [applause] in your book, you know nearly 70 of americans believe the country has a major stability problem. Putting aside politics for the moment, do you think stability in america actually wax or do you think theres something to that effect causes us to be uncivil . May be the internet or Something Like that . I think there are institutions in our country that are incredibly civil and i think our courts are one of those places. Ill give you an example of my own court is a lot to admire there. Our republic is supposed to be a little raucous, you but you. Thats what makes us strong. The marketplace of ideas, the testing of ideas, all voices can be heard. You only speak in a place where you know you have a right to speak freely and it will be protected and recognized. The republic is a testament to the solidity of our will and we all know we have a First Amendment right to speak. If you ask me whether we all could do better, all of us, maybe its the best. Social media today, i worry when young people say they are dissuaded from Public Service because of the coarseness of the way we converse with one another type of light, 25 of parents report moving their kids from school because of it. Yes, i worry about stability. Washington had a great example for us, he was the first to write out, enhance, 100 and some articles of stability that the judge played down in 1595 and they are good rules. One of them, some of them are kind of funny, one of my favorite is Something Like do not be so enthusiastic in your speech. What comes so close to the person with whom you are debating that you do the other mans face. [laughter] my teens would say say it, dont spray it. There was a time when we talk something called manners and there was a time when we talk thats and when stability wasnt about word, or something considered timid. I think we have to remember those with whom we disagree, love this country, every bit as much as we do. I dont know if we need to go back to washingtons rules as taught by my grandmother, its pretty simple. You are going to have a lot of regrets in your life, hate to break it to you. You will do a lot of things you wish you hadnt, say things you will regret. Things left unsaid, things left undone. The one thing in life you will never regret is being kind. [applause] in your book, the importance of having men and women pursuing Public Service and president reagan made so no secret whats become of the judicial confirmation process, which employs tactics in his words, better suited for campaigns and elections than Supreme Court nominations. Do you think the process is working today the white the founders intended . You think im going to touch that with a 10foot pole . [laughter] im not going to touch the confirmation process. I believe in sticking to the claim. Confirmation process is article one, im in article three now. [laughter] happy to be back home. [laughter] [applause] i will say, to young people out there, look at people like david and jamie. They are not afraid. Dont be afraid. [applause] we need you. [applause] we need new ideas, we need your participation, we need your he help. Somebody has to run the zoo. [laughter] why not you . [laughter] let me tell you, words dont hurt that much. What you know youre doing something important and what life can you live thats more worthy than carrying on our great constitution in this wonderful republic . What better way to live life . [applause] you include contributes, the justice replaced, Antonin Scalia and anthony kennedy. Could you check what you think major elements of their legacies and will these be entering legacies . Sure. Ill start with justice kennedy. Later have the opportunity to become his collie, first time justice and clerk have the opportunity to serve together. Justice kennedy for me, its what we have been talking about now. You will not meet more courteous man who embodies the values we seek to infiltrate and young people today. Hes the model, a great teacher of civics. Hes a prince of a man from a gentle man. I got many wonderful stories but this is a man so when i became his colleague he said you know neil, i dont get bothered as much as home, i like to work out there. Im all in. He can give you a fax machine if you ask. [laughter] twentyfive years earlier, i remember that fax machine. [laughter] but anyway, my first opinion ran for the court and circulated, i probably did it after hours late in the day and the justice got wind that i circulated this opinion so he told his law clerk to use that fax machine and send it because he wanted to write that but the machine is broken. [laughter] the private out to his house and i quickly got back a handwritten note, during my opinion. First one. That is kennedy. Right, Justice Scalia. The lien of a man in public life and docile and in private, so much to admire there. Fear list originalist. Unapologetic. Im happy to fall in that mold. While we agree on many things, we occasionally had our disagreements. Cap fishing with me in colorado at one time and we are very different in approaches there. [laughter] i suggest to the justice, i know this river, i fished this river my whole life. If you walk over there gently undo your line behind that rock, youre going to catch a trout. He is a son of queens. He stops over there. [laughter] with all the enthusiasm of queens and pops his line on the water as hard as he cant as of his enthusiasms will make the fish hungrier. [laughter] he finishes, he said you said there is sufficient there. [laughter] indeed, there had been. [laughter] i have a wonderful justice my chambers so when he passed, mr. Scalia was kind enough to give mementos to all family members in his office there is one thing left over at the end, this giant justice name probably right. He had secured huntington trip in colorado with one of my friends, is now lawyer there. Scalia did not want leroy in her house so she made them pay to have it brought back to his house in colorado. It was sitting in a giant great in his garage, occupying space. We were having lunch the summer of 2016 and he said you know, if mr. Trump becomes President Trump and if he nominates you, ive got a gift for you. [laughter] honestly, hugely discounted, i do not foresee those things happening. Six months later, a little more. I get a call missus glia, she says we are about to have a first scalia union since my husband passed. Of course. About halfway through dinner, my buddy, a big grin on his face. [laughter] rolls out a gigantic crate and presents me with leroy. [laughter] im happy to have leroy watching because it turns out we share a few things. We are both native coloradans. [laughter] where both stuck in washington for the rest of our lives. Neither one of us will forget. [applause] your former boss, i once had the pleasure of receiving Supreme Court to or from him and he took me up to the top floor showed me the basketball court, which is about the Supreme Court chambers and therefore, known as the highest court in the land. [laughter] do you ever sneak away to shoot a few hoops during the day . I like to ride my bike, i like to row and ski, i like to do a lot of things. Run, occasionally i will go up there and i have happy memories up there. My old boss whos now largely forgotten, but i like to remember him a little bit, first justice from colorado for special places in fact one of them. He was a great athlete for his day. Road scholar, highest nfl football player, i dont think thats going to happen again on the Supreme Court. That would be neat if it did. [laughter] anyway, he had mean game of course. We would go up there and play horse. When he was younger, used to elbow the clerks and take them down, apparently. By the time i got there, it was worse. His hand eye coordination was so good, he had a shot in the free throw line over the back of his head that he could mail my times out of ten and he didnt mind taking your money when he did. [laughter] the other place i think of him is down on the first floor of the Supreme Court of the United States and we called it a basement, not a whole lot of windows. They put you there when you work on, hang your portrait there. I vividly remember one day walking there with Justice White and he said, so justice or such, all his law clerks justice. How many old dogs do you recognize . I thought about it and candidly, i answered, i could probably identify about half of them. He said something that shocked me. He said he to. [laughter] he said something that depressed me, he said thats the way it should be. I took 20 happen to me, too. As the son of colorado, i thought i was terrible and unbelievable. This guy was not only start nfl player road scholar, hes a real hero. He was one of Jack Kennedys best friends, he helped desegregate schools with kennedy, served on the Supreme Court 31 years. How could anybody forget him . Walk the hallways now, a lot of tourists have a portrait and have no idea who they are looking at. He was telling me, i now know whos joyful, it wasnt depressing. The judges role is a quiet one, its upholding the constitution. Not changing it. Its up to you if you want to do that. Appointing the constitution and passing down the wonderful legacy from living a life and Greater Service and something of yourself. Thats what he was teaching me that deck. I think about that a lot when i walk through the court. We are just about of time but i have a couple more questions. Number, you talk about how important your family is to you, including your daughters and your book is dedicated to your wife and daughters. I have daughters and many more here heres a question, when they have the occasional argument that takes place between siblings, [laughter] how do you render your judgment . [laughter] my jurisdiction to the extent that far. [laughter] okay. Speaking of young people, we have young people here tonight and im sure you are encountering young people time to time, if they say to you im interested in future legal career, which college would you choose . You have any advice . Pick something you love, it will lead you where you want to call. That is absolutely true. If you find something you love to do, work isnt work, you will never work all day in your life. My grandfather taught me that. They loved their work. One was a surgeon and would grow up impoverished. It would get down on his knees and pray for the patient he just had surgery on. He loved his work. My grandfather held himself up working on cars in denver. Both very humble beginnings. Started at a law firm during the great depression, a great picture of him, now colorado arrived, a busy bovard on a donkey with his twin going to school, a dirt road back then. Great men. Id say, do what they did and i followed their footsteps. Something you love and Everything Else will work out just fine. [applause] good advice. [applause] this is corny but to young people, i used to teach and i love teach young people used to teach legal professionalism and ethics, thats not an oxymoron, i promise. [laughter] to answer your question from at the end of the semester, i would ask my kids to spend five minutes writing their obituary. How they would like it to read. The beginning from the probably deserved a few of us, after five minutes, the room was always deadly quiet. They had come to grips with the question. I would ask a few brave souls to read what they had written. Not one of them ever said i was a richest lawyer but i had my name on the door or i brought in the most clients are ahead the fastest car or biggest house. Every one of them spoke about useful to the community, their family, their friends. Some spoke of their faith. I asked my students, hold onto that stick in your desk and when you are feeling lukewarm for you have got to about where your life is going, look at that. Ask yourself how you are doing almost, the ones that really matter. I follow that same advice myse myself, theres an inscription on a tombstone in boston, i found a burial ground, many of our Founding Fathers were buried. Its a beautiful inscription. Dignified public life, and speaks to me, i keep it in my desk drawer and i look at it often. A copy of it is in my book. I want to ask about your obituary but in closing [laughter] decades from now when historians write about the court in your opinion on the court, what you hope they will say . I expect they will say very little and thats what it should be. My role is to hand down what i found. Thats work enough. Keeping our constitution is hard work. We needed great men to found it in great men to keep it. Many people who love this country, to live their lives in the next generation. If ive forgotten, i would say i did my job just right. [applause] thank you for this incredible opportunity, its so great to spend time with you. Thank you for putting together this incredible book. [applause] o yeah, o yeah, o yeah, all persons having business before the Supreme Court give their attention. For the court is now sitting. For the first time in history. The us Supreme Court live. In may due to the coronavirus pandemic the court is hearing oral arguments in 10 cases by teleconference. Cspan will provide live coverage of each of these sessions. First on monday at 10 am eastern the justices hear the case of us patent and Trademark Office versus booking. Com. The case concerns the travel Companies Fight to trademark its website. Be a part of history and listen to the Supreme Court oral arguments as they are heard by the justices live monday at 10 am eastern on cspan. On demand at cspan. 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The fact that most people leave prison do a little bit of analysis to see that we could be closing prisons already and jails already if we just cut by two weeks in three weeks and four weeks much less years the kinds of sentences people are serving. Watch tv this weekend on cspan2. Welcome everyone, i am president of the foundation for defense of democracies and thank you for joining us for a special discussion marking the release of doctor David Kilcullens latest book the dragons and the snakes how the rest learned to fight thwe