and yet you are half white. >> right. >> you were raised by three white people, your mother and your two grandparents. >> and an indonesian. >> and an indonesian. are you comfortable with this characterization of you? >> i am, actually. and the concept of race in america is not just genetic. otherwise the one drop rule wouldn't have made sense. it's cultural. it's this notion of a people who look different than the mainstream suffering terrible oppression but somehow being able to make out of that a music and a language and a faith, a patriotism. >> nutter, what did you hope race relations would look like after eight years of a president obama? and what do you think the reality is? >> first, don, i'm still not sure that more than a few years