called silicon valley. >> the magic part of silicon valley is that there was this boiling pot of people who were involved in technology, involved in science. >> silicon valley was hp, sri, xerox park and stanford that was a hell of a combination. >> there were these two cultures engineered with ph.d.s and hobbyists. >> there was a lot of counter culture people. so you had cheap semi-conductors. you had people that would look at things differently than what the conventional person was, and that's what the technology needed then. >> one of the things that was really hard about making a computer was now on a chip. so all of a sudden, people who had a thirst for this stuff could go out and buy a home brew computer. you could make them yourself. >> there were a lot of people into the changes in technology and how we a part of it, even at our companies we were the fringe element. we had the jeans. we're not the managers and leaders. but a clever design on its own had value. >> you had these guys like steve jobs, bill gates and steve wozniak. and bill gates appall allen messing around on the edge of