>> well, look, and just keeping it on the straight human realities of this, the man you saw out there covering his job, he lost friends and colleagues today. everybody has a tough time doing the job. everybody knows that being a journalist often puts you in positions of stress and duress. to lose people you care about and still do your job, it speaks to these men and women. you know them well. what's your experience with them? what makes them special? >> well, this isn't a big town paper that puts a lot of stories out on the national wire. they cover county meetings, local across games, community events. and i think that they -- this paper feels like part of the fabric of the community. and so when the news first broke, i think everybody felt shattered and heart broken, and we're a state capital and used to having a lot of attention and we're used to political stories.