deputy. his chief deputy is a specialist in perjury traps and conspiracy charges, and i worry whether he can safely sit across the table from people who are interested in getting information or people who are interested in getting him. i think the latter is what we're involved in. >> jay goldberg -- >> it would be too risky. . >> jay goldberg, i appreciate your time and making the case to my audience. thank you, sir. >> and thank you, chris. >> all right. so there you hear his friend, self described and counsellor for many, many years saying, yeah, he's not telling the truth about what he knew about the payments. we now have to focus on the bigger question. think about that. his friend, counsel who knows him thinks there's an issue about him telling the truth. he's concerned that the prosecutors would be out to get him.