pro-choice, and mnow it's your tribe is -- >> he's a populist. he's not even saying that if you're not in my tribe. he's saying if you're not for me, right? >> right. it's a personal thing. >> one of the ways that president trump rose is because a lot of americans on the left and the right -- and we saw this with bernie sanders -- had lost a lot of faith in institutions and government, and they didn't believe that it was doing its job. and trump continues to exploit that. so instead of saying, hey, now that i'm in charge, things are better, he continues to exploit these. and i think that's one of the things that we've seen a lot of people push back on, including justice roberts today. >> now, you say presidents have expressed their disappointment, their frustration with rulings before. that is true. and the republican senator chuck grassley, obviously very important when it comes to the judiciary with his committee, tweets out, chief justice roberts rebuked trump for a comment he made about judge's decision on asylum. i don't recall the chief